Back to the ol "if you disagree with me, you're a Trump supporter". Honestly, that rhetoric is tiring. You're either trolling or completely blinded by your own bias. What serious attacks were carried out by the Russians? And you did not suggest what punishment we should charge Russia. The likes of you are ready to escalate tension before the facts are all in.
Let's wait for the conclusion of Mueller's investigation and go from there. You, too, are jumping to conclusions just as much as someone on the left who is certain of crimes. All of this is the point of the special counsel and we should just be patient. Truly, nobody outside of Mueller's team knows what is going on.
I've been charting the investigation at home and had to tack another large sheet of paper on the wall. I needed more room for dots.
No, I'm willing to wait for facts to come in, but we do know some facts. Russians trying to hack voter registration rolls in multiple states, and attempting to hack voting places in many states is a serious charge. The propaganda charges are serious charges. The fact that they tried to interfere in our election in any way is a serious charge. We already know that they did these things. But if more facts come in then I'm willing to do more. Increased sanctions from the U.S. is a definite. Taking the evidence to our allies and possibly the U.N. for broader sanctions is also an option. Putin has been a crappy leader for that nation and their economy is hurting. Sanctions have already been effective and there is every reason to increase the pressure.
What the overly defensive Trump fans don't really seem to understand is that the Trump-Russia thing is important more than anything to the stability to all of Europe as a whole with what comes next from Putin and his pursuit of a reclamation of the Soviet Union. Putin's ultimate goal - I don't think he wants war and suffering IE what Hitler did to expand Germany, but lets be honest.... he wants expansion and that should be concerning to the world. However.... I think its obvious he would rather act through covert operation, economics, and a minimization of NATO. Putin is a megalomaniac dictator, but I think he's smart enough to know how to play the hand he's been dealt. He essentially needs 3 things- -Economic boom - Sanctions lifted and the oil industry to boom in the Arctic Circle (There is currently over a trillion dollars in investment in Exxon & others waiting on sanctions to be lifted to start drilling) -Public support from the Baltic states to push to rejoin the Soviet -NATO and other European world powers to be forced to bend the knee because of the Soviets overwhelming influence in Europe & the world. The second bullet point is most important as it relates to the Trump Russia propaganda matter. Putin has many goals in helping Trump get elected. Beef with Hillary was a start. Trump being Putin's b#tch was another, but more than anything he needs to prove to not just Russia but a good majority of Eastern Europe that Democracy is overrated, and the way Russia operates as an Autocracy is a better way of life. So when guys like Bobby, RL, Texx etc go on the attack with Liberals over any and everything, its pretty important in the grand scheme of things because on a wide scale these efforts are being duplicated millions of times over on larger platforms like FB, Twitter, Reddit, etc. where this division is playing into the hands of global scale politics. And to be fair when someone on the left attacks the other way around, we don't help the situation, but when you openly have Russians posing as Muslims online to create controversy, and when you have the Right Wing leaders openly bragging about the success of the "NFL Kneeling" campaign (success could only be based on DIVIDING America.... think about that for a minute), we also need to be honest about where the root of the problem stems from. I don't want to change any minds on the Right about conservative values or change their votes to Hillary. I just want them to start educating themselves on what is the driving force behind the propaganda that is being shoved in their face every day to fight people like me on. You guys on the right talk about "Patriotism" all the damn time, but you can't stop for two seconds and wonder what kind of "Patriot" you are when you knowingly act on propaganda with the sole purpose of proving to the world that Democracy sucks.
I said nothing about "liberals". I do not consider you to be a liberal - maybe that's something you self-identify as. Going past your strawman, was there anything you would like to comment on?
Looks like the goalposts have shifted yet again. It's gone from: "Our democracy is under attack" to "it's all about Europe". Perhaps our European NATO allies should see the significance and importance of increasing their military spending to the requisite 2% of GDP, rather than stating that it is an "inappropriate" time to do so.
So you view the emails released from the Trump campaign are incompetent collusion? Or open to collusion? Or just opposition research using information known to originate from the Russian govt?
Or maybe Right Wingers should be smart enough to understand when they are engaging with and weaponizing propaganda. And I'm unclear about where the goalposts are being moved... In or out? Because if I'm essentially saying its contributing to the Death of Democracy, I would think that's moving them in a further direction than just being bitter about "Losing" since that's all right wingers seem to think in terms of nowadays. Its funny.... folks like you spend so much time & effort to come on here to essentially say "Why the F does anyone care about the Russia scandal" or mock anyone that seems to care about it, but then the moment someone tries to help folks on the other side understand why its kind of a big freaking deal... they actively don't engage and instead try to bring the conversation back down to their level of engaging in propagated talking point games. It shows pretty clearly you don't want to actually have a real discussion here. You are playing a game on behalf of your ideological figureheads. Nice try to move to the "NATO allies don't pay enough" talking point. You just proved my point that you guys do nothing but serve as drones to prove to the world that Democracy sucks. Autocracy is the way to go. Have a nice day Comrade.
It's about both and a lot more, as you know very well. As for the need for our European allies to increase military spending? They are. Maybe you should do a little research. It isn't difficult. There's this thing called Google, a popular search engine. You can find the information you clearly need there, and with little effort. No thanks needed for the suggestion.
Whats funny was as I was pointing out this issue (right wingers knowing or un-knowingly weaponizing pro-Putin talking points), he takes the occasion to literally try and shift to the single most blatant pro-Putin political talking point you could come up with. You could not be more on the nose in proving my point for me if you tried.
You brought Europe into the discussion. NATO was created for western Europe's defense against the Soviet Union. I'd connect the dots between NATO and Europe, but I'd rather not cause a scene.
And that of the United States. NATO has done far more to help and aid the United States than the United States has done to help our NATO allies.
Incapable? I have to laugh. **** you, with all respect due. What you are doing is attempting to deflect the obvious. That you are claiming to know something you have no decernable knowledge about. I don't have to look it up because I don't have to. I've read numerous articles about the subject. You are the one displaying your ignorance for all to see. Your sad attempt at deflection merely highlights what little texxx does in damn near every post he makes. Making statements as if they are true, and when someone points out that little texxx is wrong, he says something nonsensical and runs away. It is very unworthy of you, dude. I thought you were better than that. To quote a well known line from an excellent film, you can't handle the truth.
Please. You have nothing - which is exactly what it takes upstairs to distill an argument into a hostile threat, such as you have done. We're all adults. We're all grown up. Please act like it, Deckard.
Yes, NATO allies as part of their NATO obligations served in Iraq and have troops serving and dying in combat to help the United States mission in Afghanistan. Last time you didn't understand what I was talking about had to do with the U.S. Secretary of Education and that department's funding of poverty-stricken children. I had to show you the budget pages before you finally stopped going on about it claiming I didn't know what I was talking about. So now you can tell me which European wars the U.S. is lending troops to and having them die as part of its NATO obligations?
