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Connecting the Trump-Russia Dots

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. Astrodome

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    I love playing 42. Played everyday at lunch for 25 minutes between the ages of 18-23.
     
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    Yeah I watched as a child for a few years. It's a thinking game for sure. It seems like it could be one of those things that could disappear though. There should be a movement to replace regular dominos with 42 haha
     
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  3. adoo

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    DHS tells 21 states that hackers targeted their elections in 2016;
    what took them so long, 10 months after the election?

    The Department of Homeland Security notified 21 states that it found evidence of Russian attempts to hack their elections systems, according to top state officials.

    In a statement, Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator Michael Haas said that Wisconsin was one of 21 states that notified Friday about the Russian targeting, but DHS did not disclose which other states had been targeted.


    The DHS revealed Internet-facing election infrastructure in Wisconsin was targeted by Russian government cyber actors who scanned Internet-connected election infrastructure, likely trying to obtain voter registration databases.

    Additional states that also were notified include Alabama, Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, Virginia, Washington, and others


    within days after the inaugural, the Trump admin issued an executive order for the travel ban, then in May another EO was issued to create the 'Election Integrity' commission to investigate voter fraud, as claimed by Trump.

    why not an EO to investigate / prevent the re-occurrence of Russian undermining of our democratic process ?


     
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  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Why do you keep pretending it's only about Hillary's email? You understand there is a whole list of things all of which are more serious than that.
     
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  5. No Worries

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    Hillary’s emails got hacked? Do tell.
     
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    Wow, that's not even a strawman. Yeah, independent of the topic of this thread, Trump is good at social media. Genius analysis.

    Seriously, I get you hate liberals, but why are you carrying the buffoon's water and throwing shade on the investigation? You can still hate liberals AND want the truth about Russia's attack on our election.
     
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  10. Deji McGever

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    Sharing this by Glenn Greenwald in The Intercept.
     
  11. dobro1229

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    I don't see what controversy he is trying to stir up here? It was Trumps DHS that sent memos to these states about them being targeted and then later coming back to show they didn't actually get hacked to the point where they changed votes.

    https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59cd0da3e4b0e005cc57235d/amp

    Find me one liberal on here who has said they changed votes? Anyone following this story for longer than a day knows that it's not about the votes that were or were not changed but the propaganda campaign, any help they had in targeting voters with prop, and how reports like this show that they obviously were probing these states and could very well change votes in the future if they found a way to do it without getting caught.

    Most people I know and people reporting on this believe they didn't change votes because that wasn't their focus this time. Either Trump would win or Hillary would be severely weakened with a country fueled up and ready to tear her apart. The purpose is mostly for Putin to show his people that Democracy doesn't work so shut up and let me be an Authoritarian. If they changed votes and got caught it could have backfired and galvanized us as Americans.... which defeats their purpose.
     
  12. Cohete Rojo

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    What does any of this have to do with "liberals"? Definitely not another B-Bob strawman.
     
  13. Cohete Rojo

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    Changing the goalposts yet again, I see.

    First Trump was a spy.
    Then it was Trump is "compromised".
    Then it was "collusion".
    Then it was propaganda.

    Love to see how this narrative changes again.

    I can see how some people are still sore losers about all of this. After all, Clinton's book title, "What Happened", is exactly how someone completely out of touch with reality would respond.
     
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  14. dobro1229

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    I don't think you even know what you are arguing against.... you just see...."oh a liberal posted.... blah blah Rush Limbaugh talking point about liberals... blah blah".

    Dude... you are literally arguing about TRUMPS DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY changing the goal posts in this case. They are the ones that sent the memo about Russians probing states, freaked the state representatives out, and then found that they didn't actually change votes. Again find me one single "Liberal" on the board here that has said that the Russians literally changed votes. If anything the Trump has blown past any goalposts of any liberal I know of that never in a million years would have thought there would been an actual email that a Trump family member would have released ON THEIR OWN that said -

    Talk to me about goalposts... The Trumps have far exceeded anything I could have far imagined on their own without me needing to conjure up conspiracy theories.

    You don't see that though.... you just see stupid liberal this. Stupid liberal that and have no agenda but to try and fight with us online like a Trump drone. I could literally show you video evidence of Trump sitting with Putin at a computer changing votes in Wisconsin and you wouldn't care since I'm apparently a "liberal". You have one agenda and one agenda item only.... to piss off and try to battle so-called "LIBERALS" online.

    What a life you live man. Whatever makes you happy.
     
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    I've been critical of the "Russia did it" narrative since it began for a variety of reasons. It's not a "conservative / liberal" divide. Supporters of the narrative are the Clinton campaign, Clinton loyalists, the vast majority of US media who promised a Trump defeat (and seem unable to understand how technology works), the very hawkish Atlantic Council (of which Crowdstrike founder Dmitri Alperovitch is a member) and neo-cons like James Clapper, which along with the FBI/CIA/NSA, comprise a Who's Who of totally infallible experts that gave us the Iraq War -- and even they (like the posters in this thread) can't agree on what the grievous offence was.

    The most vocal critics of it aren't just Trump fans (John Cornyn, everyone's oddball Freeper cousin) or Russians (including Masha Gessen, who is the most prominent Putin critic in western journalism and wrote this which is a must-read on the subject IMHO). They also include many journalists from the Left (Max Blumenthal, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Caitlyn Johnstone, Jimmy Dore), with many Libertarians (including Ron Paul, who has been republishing articles from Medium FFS on his own site on the subject), as well as transparency advocates and whistleblowers like Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and Chelsea Manning.

    From the field of either primary, I think Trump would still have been my next to last choice (last would have been Ted Cruz). I don't like Clinton but I voted for her because I think Trump is a walking obscenity and I believed he had a good chance of winning. But the cognitive dissonance resulting from the collision of unsubstantiated Russia paranoia along with what my conservative friends describe as "Trump Derangement Syndrome" makes me regret my vote for Clinton.

    I'm not sure who that would have left me to vote for but I'm not interested in participating in illogical partisan tribalism or the re-enactment of the Culture Wars that so many seem to mistake for rational political discourse. It's been nearly a year since the election and the dire crisis we were promised (much like the one we were promised in 2008 by Republicans) hasn't happened. Not much has happened since G.W. Bush's first term in terms of change in US policy, and I suspect it won't any time soon.
     
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    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/28/politics/chuck-grassley-rod-rosenstein-meeting/index.html

    This is a story that will go unnoticed but should be watched. Quietly Chuck Grassley (R) seems hellbent on testing the fortitude of the Mueller probe and it's quite obvious he's becoming a likely candidate to get this prosecution thrown out eventually.

    We know the Republican machine was going to try these type of actions because this obviously isn't good for them and they don't want to be put in a position where they have to impeach their own president who will retain loyal support with "the base" either way that they need to win elections moving forward. That's more important to them than "Patriotism" I guarantee.

    Also there is the fact that the Russians hacked the RNC too and they have a million reasons to make this go away for that reason alone.

    As I said earlier, the Russia investigation thus far has already exceeded revealing facts that I never thought would come to light. The Don Jr. Emails alone would be enough to bury any other politician, but not Trump. I have to admire his ability to exhaust and ultimately out last any scandal that would normally be career ending.

    I fully expect that this is one method that the GOP establishment will use to throw out the Mueller investigation (hint: throwing the FBI under the bus and clearing out all Comey associates).

    I look forward to the doc on Netflix though in 15 years.
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    '99 Pages of why I lost and i am not one of them'
    Chronicles from "What Happened"
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    99 pages of why Trump supporters pretending the Russian interference in our election has anything to do with liberals wanting to blame Hillary's loss on the attack on our democracy while ignoring the mountains of evidence that are piling up in the investigation.
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    There is only a couple known Trump supporters and I suspect you have posted more than they have.

    Russia was caught meddling. Quit pretending they were trying to over throw our government. They spends thousands on fake news ads on facebook and their intrusion on DNC emails only revealed corrupt DNC behavior. What should we do? I can tell you what will happen. Nothing. Move on already.
     
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    A couple of things which also fall into the Trump supporter standard playbook...
    1. There are only a couple admitted Trump supporters. There are many more who claim not to be Trump supporters.

    2. Like other Trump supporters, you've eliminated some of the most serious attacks on our democracy committed by the Russians. You left out things that have been spelled out here before in detail.

    If nothing happens then it is a shame, and part of that shame belongs to the people who weren't bothered by it.
     

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