Would you guys still be able to support the Rockets if they disrespected the flag by kneeling?

What makes you think Clutch finds kneeling during the anthem not disrespectful?

Like others have said this poll is bad. I don't agree with it but would still support the team which is not an option.

 

I refuse to vote because the poll is bad. Your logic makes no sense. Have all those who voted the other way posted to defend THEIR position? Should they be banned if they don't?

Maybe you should ask all the players/coaches/owners who do the protest to defend their position, and if they don't, ask the leagues to ban them.

Maybe the country should post soldiers at the exits of voting places and ask EVERY voter to defend their votes or else they would be banned from the country.

 

Let me address your memory issues.

This is the first post I responded too.

Didn't they teach you in school about the freedoms granted by the Bill of Rights? You know, the ones in the Constitution? If you didn't learn that in school let me show it to you.

Act I
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."


Aren't those the "freedoms" you're talking about?

 

In other words.... If I don't agree with someone else's opinion, they need to be kicked out.

I don't visit these forums much anymore (they remind me of the Houston version of SpursTalk now), but I'm guessing you're just one of the forum trolls?

It may not be that they are making it into an attack on them personally, but an attack on something they hold very dear (the flag). I'm a vet as well, we all have our opinions, but one thing that holds true to anyone that served is that we salute the flag. Saluting is a sign of respect, so then from a military perspective NOT saluting when in a situation where you are supposed to shows disrespect.

In the civilian world that respect is shown by standing and placing your hand over your heart.... same concept.

So, for a veteran to feel the flag is being disrespected by civilians because they aren't "paying the proper respects" to it during a time when they _should_.... is not unreasonable.

Since we are on this topic. I see people at all sorts of events talking, walking around, etc during the anthem, and it does irk me. Had I not served in the military it most certainly would not bother me as much.

 

No. This thread should be in the D&D forum (where people do talk like those on SpursTalk ). The GARM isn't always civil but I dare say Clutchfans is as good a basketball fan site as you can get anywhere on the internet. So don't let this thread fool you. Go read some D&D posts and you'll know what I'm talking about.

 

After we handle this kneeling situation can we take our pitchforks and tiki torches to take on some asshat who is harassing a POW survivor? His name is Donald Trump, and he thinks its cool to call a POW a coward or some crap like that. He lives in a pretty big white house, so it won't be hard to miss. Everyone who voted no in this thread, I'm 100% expecting you there.

 

People use the flag and anthem as a sign of respect only when they have a political point to make.

When colors are playing on base, you see the majority of Marines who happen to be outside run for the nearest door so they can go inside.

When the anthem is being played on TV, they skip the channel.

It's all fake outrage to dismiss these athletes' points. It's so damn obvious it's disgusting.

People need to grow up and learn that symbols and trivial customs and courtesies don't make someone patriotic. The ****ing DOD has to dump millions of our tax payer dollars just so the NFL can make these elaborate pre-game jingoist shows.

You serving in the military and stating that is the reason why you are irked makes you part of the problem. You are being petty. Probably were a pog/REMF/fobbit also.

 

Amen......

Anyways who cares about the star spangled banner.... 1,2,3, not me.... It wasn't written for people of my kind.... I actually protest at my job every morning by taking a coffee break when that stupid pledge of allegiance comes on.

 

Apparently, everyone feels differently about the flag and the national anthem. Whoever try to slight the feelings that are not the same as theirs are guilty of suppressing free speech as you all are so adamant about it. There are a lot of presumption about how other people think and feel.

I am an immigrant. I can tell you that the first time I went to a ballgame and experienced the national anthem with the whole stadium dimmed down except the flag, I was moved to tears. There was nothing like that where I came from. So obviously I have a somewhat different angle on this flag/anthem thing. And as an immigrant, racism is clearly very important to me. But I am appalled by the widespread subconscious assumption that racism applied only to blacks and whites.

I agree with those who believe that the protest about police brutality is a very worthy cause but the venue/method used by professional athletes is wrong. I see this as similar to the debate about flag burning some years ago. This is not as extreme. But the meaning is comparable. Burning the flag is a self-defeating act because the flag symbolizes the freedom that gives them the right to do the burning. By burning it, they are symbolically desecrating the very thing that protects their behavior.

 

gotta kneel to make merica great again

 

How does the flag protect their behavior? I'm confused? Is there some sort of combustion reaction that wears down some sort of freedom protecting coating?

 

What you trying to say?
USA gave them the freedom of speech. And these athletes use it during the National Anthem. The National Anthem represents USA. If they want to protest against Trumph don't do it during the National Anthem.

 

Disrespecting the flag would be burning, spitting on it, turning your back to it, or a number of other things. Kneeling while the anthem is being sung? Very tame and it doesn't offend me as much as the racial injustice that is going on in this country

 

Do you not understand the meaning of the word "symbolic"?

The whole thing is symbolic, the kneeling and whatever they do to protest, as well as the flag burning. Do you believe kneeling during the anthem have some magical power to solve the social problem?

 

https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf

Conduct During Playing. — During a rendition of the national anthem — (1) when the flag is displayed — (A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart; (B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note. (2) When the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

 

No... Hence I'm not triggered by it.

I'm also not triggered by it because their symbolic gestures shows no ill intent towards me, a combat vet and any rational veteran thinks the same.

 

Triggered to do what?

So are you saying that whatever they are doing is a waste of time? Why are you in this thread then? You are wasting your time. If symbolic gesture has no effect whatsoever, talking about it is a waste of time.

 

Because the President of the United States is now deciding to lambast private employers for not firing their employees exercising their first amendment rights.

And using veterans like me as a scape goat/political tool to throw red meat at idiots.

And to express that anyone who wants to quit being Rockets fan for something so petty was never really a fan.

 

Pretty broad brush your painting with there.

Cool, nothing to do with my point.

Again, pretty broad brush. Some people actually care.

Because something bothers me I'm a problem for others? You're joking right? I'm not enforcing my beliefs or opinions on anyone, if my opinion inconveniences you that's YOUR problem, nothing to do with me. I said it irks me, I didn't say I do or say anything about it, I keep that opinion to myself.

And then of course you have to make assumptions about where/what capacity I might have served, my service must have not been as "real" as yours. Get over yourself bud....

 

So much cognitive dissonance.

Let's see.

You make arbitrary standards for who is patriotic based on a knee bend and are irked at someone else making another arbitrary metric for who is patriotic based on who signed up for a direct combat MOS.

Both metrics are stupid. I don't care how you served.

And you shouldn't care about a knee bend. And that is my opinion. I'm glad you had to explicitly state that you have an opinion. We all know. I'm not asking anyone to ban you am I?

Keep posting and looking more foolish please.

People who are looking to be triggered by a knee bend are looking for something to hate.