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  1. RocketsLegend

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    He did stand up for what he believed in, literally.
     
  2. dandorotik

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    Politics has no place in sports.

    I don't go to see a football game to display my patriotism.

    I go to see a football game.

    Keep politics out of sports.

    Eliminate the national anthem.

    Problem solved.
     
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  3. RocketsLegend

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    What is the purpose of posting a picture of looks like the 60's ? If you think this equals to the national anthem protest than you're dead wrong.
     
  4. dandorotik

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    Black people in the 60s weren't protesting to end slavery, they were protesting to improve civil rights. Isn't that what professional athletes, many of whom are black, are protesting as well?

    My guess is that you probably know very few, if any, black people.

    If you did, you'd know that there's a legitimate point to all of this.
     
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    “If I were king, I would not allow people to go around burning the American flag,” Scalia told CNN in 2012. “However, we have a First Amendment, which says that the right of free speech shall not be abridged ― and it is addressed in particular to speech critical of the government. That was the main kind of speech that tyrants would seek to suppress.

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    This doesn't make sense.

    Trump is just excercising free speech. Guy is saying what he thinks, there's nothing wrong with that.

    You can think he is incorrect or stupid but this has nothing to do with going to war in vietnam to protect freedom and all that.

    Sorry but that's just a load of crap, Trump is not passing a law to ban the kneeling.
     
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    Do you think the President of the United States who arguably has the most influential and powerful bully pulpit on the planet ought to suggest to private employers whom to fire because the employee was practicing their first amendment rights. Do you think the President should call the mothers of athletes 'b****es' just because these athletes exercised their first amendment speech?
     
  9. Amiga

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    The war in Vietnam was based on the principle of stopping communism influence. It's to protect US and western democracy, foolishly, but that was the selling point of the war.

    If you don't think Trump would sign a bill that outlaw peaceful right to protest by black athlete, what do you think he's doing with his exercise of freedom of his speech here? Dog whistle to the racists? Either of those are quite wrong in my book.
     
  10. NewRoxFan

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    Pat Tillman’s Widow: Don’t Politicize Him to Divide Others
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/pat-tillmans-widow-dont-politicize-him-to-divide-others
     
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    Why is it people like you have no idea what the first amendment says? Were you not taught in school? I'll help

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Can you tell me what law you think is abridging the freedom of speech here? If you think the first amendment protects you from your employers or others, then you don't understand the amendment. Heres an experiment for you. Go chew out your boss and when he fires you, try to hide behind the first amendment. Let me know how it goes.
     
  12. MojoMan

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    So now we are starting to see the lefties crabwalk this back. It probably won't be too much longer now before this is over.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Not sure how you got that idea from the video
     
  14. MojoMan

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    President Trump should promote American patriotism along with honoring our flag and our national anthem, regardless of how offensive that obviously is to many among the Democrat left. It would certainly be controversial if he recommended legislation, or signed some sort of an executive order requiring employers to fire people for this reason. Of course that has not happened. But for him to recommend that that employers terminate the employment of these people within their own discretion is fine, regardless of the fact that you don't like it. And let's not forget, at least one employer, NASCAR, has taken him up his suggestion and adopted it as policy.

    President Trump should not use that sort of language. However, it did capture the moment and characterize these players in a way that resonated with a great many people as highly accurate and that captured the emotion of the moment for a lot of people exceptionally well.
     
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    You can call him and others "lefties" all you want. Those ideas will always eventually win out. Trump and people that support a person like that will never truly win the future. The right to choose. Gay marriage. Sessions obsession with mar1juana, and trying to stop the inevitability of its legalization. Older people's uncomfortableness of being around people of other races (that includes all races, that includes black people that are racist in some way also) Slavery and segregation, did those last? Healthcare and the right for euthanasia. All of those things and many others have changed, are changing, or will change.

    Those things changing make the world a better place. Abortion continues to decrease. One of the effects of mar1juana legalization will be the decrease in pharmaceutical and opiate consumption.

    I could continue going down the list. But it will not matter. It falls on deaf ears for people that do not want to hear it. I can not tell a conservative 60 year old man why he should not care if a gay person wants to get married. Etc

    These ideas will eventually take hold in the Muslim world as well. Even if it takes 50 or 100 years.

    Good day, Mojoman.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    Kneeling to protest what is going on is a tremendous honor to the flag. It exercises the freedom for which the flag stands.
     
  17. MojoMan

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    Liar.
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    I don't think you know what the word means. That is my opinion on the matter, and it is actually impossible for an opinion to be a lie. It is impossible for me giving an opinion to make me a liar.

    Disagree if you want, but stop the bratty, second-grader, name-calling.
     
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  19. MojoMan

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    When you say something that you know very well is untrue, that is a lie. Your previous post was such a comment, which makes you a liar.
     
  20. Amiga

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    Very appropriate quote and the scale of relatively (burning vs kneeling) is a cool factor. This is going to trigger someone. Trump, a tyrant?
     

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