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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. MojoMan

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    In other words, Obama discussed this with his political advisors, and they told him it was a sure loser. Does anyone really believe Obama would not want to go out there and take a knee beside Kaepernick or whoever, if he thought it would be a politically popular thing to do?

    All the Democrats in Congress and the NFL owners also have received these briefings. Most have not aligned themselves with this Anti-American agenda.

    This issue is a loser for the NFL and the Democrat left, not to mention most professional atheletes.
     
  2. dandorotik

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    I merely posted this in response to BTG's comment that Obama was a nutjob just like Trump. Um, no. Not even close. Not in the same ballpark.

    There is literally no former POTUS, nor those who didn't win, that I would equate with Trump. They are all professional, respectful, and intelligent. Even the Republicans who I disagreed with politically. Trump is not. He acts amateurish, disrespectful, and stupid. I don't know why I even have to say this to someone intelligent as yourself. Sheesh.
     
  3. Yung-T

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    Am more baffled each day as to how this clown got elected by your US brehs, it's like a joke or social experiment gone terribly wrong. No sane human being should've voted for this idiot.
     
  4. DudeWah

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    Understanding the United States’ social and political power struggle is a pretty complex thing.

    I think a lot of “younger people” feel pretty discouraged from voting, especially in certain areas, because we have an idiotic electoral college system that gives some people more of a say over other people.
     
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  5. Yung-T

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    Fully understand that, but there were still way better candidates on both sides. Clinton and Trump making it to the final decision was a joke.

    And even if you're discouraged or fed up with the system, every intelligent person should've seen that statements like "drain the swamp" or "Mexico is going to pay for the wall" were ridiculous lies and blatantly cheap ways of attracting uneducated voters that don't know who Trump really is.
     
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    The problem is the “uneducated voters” tend to be the most highly opinionated and vocal group of voters.

    They also show up in droves to vote, much more so than a good number of “intelligent voters” who feel jaded and/or apathetic.

    There’s too many people (myself included) who don’t contribute enough to counteract these people. That’s our fault. But the dumbass electoral college system doesn’t help at all.
     
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  7. DudeWah

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    Double post
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Dude, the half time show for the Texans-Pats game could be a Fox and Friends fellation of Donald, and I would still watch the whole game.

    It's faux outrage. No one is going to stop investing in a team they followed summer childhood over such trivial things.
     
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  9. Mr.Scarface

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    Trump called the mothers of American citizens “b****es”. Many of those mothers are white (Kaepernick, for one). The issue has become about MOM. Trump stepped into **** now. Lets see if he apologizes.
     
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  10. bigtexxx

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    Hillary was a worse option. She failed in every role she's been put in.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

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    Identity politics has been the Democrats focal point for the last 10+ years as a way to compensate for unpopular policies. Larger government, higher taxes, paying for climate change, weak foreign policy against terrorism, having an open border, taking away Americans right to protect their families -- none of these policies are popular. So identity politics must be pushed to distract from the unpopular policy positions. Dividing rich and poor with Occupy Wall Street, dividing Christian vs non-Christian with the homosexuality push, dividing pro police vs anti-police with Black Lives Matter, etc. Democrats desire a divided populace because a large percentage of their voters vote based on emotion vs logic. Using the Pathos-Ethos-Logos modes of persuasion, their most effective technique with their base is Pathos -- persuading via emotion. There is not a widespread attack on black males by the police in America -- no statistics would confirm that, especially when adjusted for who is committing crimes (an insensitive truth). But by pushing attention on isolated cases, emotions are stirred and their voting block lines up behind them. Logos -- persuading via logic, is how most Republicans are persuaded. They are more receptive to insensitive truths backed by facts than by comforting lies that make people feel better (temporarily). Democrats are the opposite for the most part.

    What Trump is doing with the national anthem issue is turning the Pathos approach to identity politics on its head -- it's actually brilliant, politically. Turn the Democrats' go-to technique against them by focusing on a highly unpopular form of protest -- kneeling for our country's national anthem to protest another unpopular issue of being anti-police. It also makes a horribly unpopular person like Colin Kaepernick the face of the other side of the movement, which is devastating. The Democrats have been playing dirty with identity politics for years -- now it has been weaponized against them. If Republicans are smart, they will force Democratic politicians to support or not support kneeling for the anthem. And if Democrats are smart, they'll steer clear of the issue. Another insensitive truth is that Democrats do not want uneducated, ill-mannered people representing them in public. They try to hide this element. They need to be careful on this particular issue.


    GOOD DAY
     
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  12. ipaman

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    it's not the team dude... it's the people who deliver the content to me. I want sports commentary and take not politics. it's distracting. Best case is skip all pre games and watch on mute for parts of the game.

    Btw.. I'm one who believes the anthem has no part of sporting events. Completely out of place and games are too long as it is. I wish they would scrap it.
     
  13. Yung-T

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    Said it before, there were better options on both sides during the primaries. And no, HIllary surely wouldn't have done worse than Trump did in these first few months, burning bridges with multiple foreing countries and even parts of his own party.
     
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  14. NewRoxFan

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    Kraft opposing Trump and supporting his players and their first amendment rights. Hope McNair steps up.


     
  15. MojoMan

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    Good post.

    You are exactly right on what the Republicans need to do next. The local lefties are all wee-wee'd up about this and apparently believe that Identity Politics conquers literally all, including American patriotism. In fact, this is a HUGE loser for them, except for a few certain congressional districts that go literally all-in behind the race card playing.

    Now every politician in any race that is even marginally competitive needs to be pushed to take a public stand on this issue. If they are smart they will waffle around and basically refuse to do so.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    That's also not correct. Having moderate views does not mean that you are weak in what you believe.....it literally just means that you don't have views that are at the extreme ends of the political spectrum in this country.

    Now I'm not dead center and I never suggested I was. I'm a right leaning Libertarian and have been for decades.
     
  17. tmacfor35

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    It's always interesting reading someone else's opinion. I whole heartedly disagree with your first paragraph talking about how "white/black people only care about white/black people for the most part." That's just not how it is. A small % think that way. Those people are predominantly racist. A large majority of the country isn't racist. You are being hyper sensitive to your surroundings with that comment in my opinion. If we were to talk in regards to financial status only then I would agree with you.

    In regards to your post talking about kneeling due to gun laws. I actually enjoyed that perspective and it helps me see this differently in a way. So for that I thank you!

    But at the end of the day you have to realize why people are offended by this. Because it's disrespectful to those who have fallen or are fighting. There is a better way to do all of this. This kneeling "uproar" from conservatives has zero to do with the color of a mans skin so stop making it about that. It has zero. Once again, you are being hyper sensitive to something that isn't there.
     
  18. dobro1229

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    So I guess now Robert Kraft who gave a million dollars to Trump is a "leftie Democrat" playing identify politics.

    Trump fans are just relentless on this and are going to exhaust us all unfortunately. Trump literally is playing identify politics for 48 hours on Twitter (that and threatening thermonuclear war) and it's Nancy Pelosi I guess ??? or whoever is apparently leading this "leftie" assault on the great orange one by the Democrats apparently by playing identity politics back at Trump. I haven't seen this poltical push myself but apparently Trump fans see it.

    I have to tip my cap at the complete lack of caring about making sense in their political assaults and just going for it in Trumps honor. I've never seen anyone as loyal to anything as I've seen Trump fans loyalty to defending Trump on the internet.
     
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    Trump is such a petty, malignant narcissist.
     
  20. dobro1229

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    Hate to spoil it for you Yung T but you won't get a serious response back.

    I agree with you though that there were better options but there should be nobody that thinks Hillary would have done worse her first 8 months. Literally doing nothing would be better, and that's what we would essentially expect with Ryan and McConnell blocking her legislation. But at least we wouldn't have her playing thermonuclear war chicken with North Korea and wouldn't have some ridiculous millionaire tax break "wealthcare bill" shoved down our throats and could have moved on to other maters.

    Nobody on the left will say she's their first option but between her and agent orange I'll never understand the rationale that so many Americans made that day in November.
     

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