Riots in St Louis after white officer who killed black drug suspect acquited

LEO behavior is out of control and I want them prosecuted and controlled too the fullest extent which is not happening as it should. I'm all on board for that. However... I just can't in good conscience support a cause in response to a drug dealing, police car hitting, car chase causing, multiple offender, drug parolee, person being killed after a dangerous car case. i mean wtf... what do folks think the outcome would be?!?! someone (smith or stockley) was going to die that night and someone did. as a father i'm just happy that the chase didn't kill an innocent by-standard.

so to answer your question, no i don't think it's better because i don't think they should be protesting really bad criminal persons death. play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

I'm fine with protest and encourage peaceful protest. I'm not okay with rioting.

 

I have a deep fondness of downtown St Louis so I hope they are able to limit the damage.

 

I was wondering if we were going to get a thread about this.

When it comes to the case, the conspiracy theory suggests that the heroin dealer with a history of gun charges was unarmed and that the officer carried around a gun with him at all times that wasn't registered to him in order to plant it on anyone he decided to murder. The footage never shows the officer with the gun that allegedly was planted, but we do see him at one point carrying a non-authorized personal weapon (an AK) so he should be in hot water for that alone.

My take on it is that I side with the judge, it would be abnormal for an urban heroin dealer to NOT have a gun and there's no conclusive evidence proving the theory that the gun was planted. The comment by the officer during the chase where he said "We're gonna kill this MFer" is concerning I suppose, but by itself doesn't suggest that the shooting was unjustified. When going by the facts at hand, you have a heroin dealer who was currently on parole for theft, selling drugs, and possessing illegal guns who was caught by cops again and instead of surrendering, he decided to run from the cops who had tried to block him in, hitting their vehicle at one point. He then gets caught after flying down city streets at over 90 MPH and according to the officers he reached for his gun. There's no evidence whatsoever to dispute that, so you'd have to conclude that it was a justified shooting. You go into it knowing that he's willing to put other people's lives in danger to get away, it's not a stretch to think he'd choose to shoot at cops as opposed to going back to prison.

When it comes to the protests, I watched a bit of them last night, there was random vandalism sprinkled in all night long and finally the patience of the officers ran out. They ordered the people who were still on the streets after midnight to disperse declaring an unlawful assembly. The cops gave them right about 40 minutes to comply and when they didn't, they rounded them up and arrested them. Given the vandalism that continued to occur throughout the night, the options were either to stay there and baby sit them all night long, or get them off the street one way or the other. They opted to get arrested instead of going home and it was hilarious seeing these people who were talking tough all night long start crying and whining once they were being arrested.

 

This one of my problems with BLM. Refusal to admit arresting dangerous criminals can lead to violence.

Its another refusal of accepting that the problem is crime which leads to negative police interaction

 

I would agree that this is a really bad case for them to get up in arms about.....but let's face it, have there really been any really good ones? The Castile case was the closest I've seen to a legitimate reason to protest since all of this BS started...and even then it was a justified shooting given the facts of the case.

That said, when you are a movement based on a false narrative, I guess you have to take what you can get.

 

Even in the case of Garner, the guy in NY who died on camera, he wasn't choked to death, he died cause he was overweight

The media says he is choked to death but it takes at least 2 minutes to die from choking. He forced the cops hand to take him down and he unfortunately died from his health. He had asthma and was overweight. People misunderstood the medical examiner's report that said the take down lead to his death. It meant gis heart couldn't handle it. That isnt the policemen's responsibility

 

Yeah, it's a pretty radical take, I know.

Yeah, the Garner incident was a situation where a cop did something wrong and was rightfully fired over it, but what he did wrong wasn't the cause of Garner's death. If we want to be real about it, McDonald's killed Garner more so than any cop.

I think it goes back to the same story where you'll have some people who "think" with their emotions and they'll naturally be at odds with anyone who actually thinks. When you are ruled by your emotions, you see only the tragedy of someone dying and tune out the circumstances. For the most part, that's what these "protests" are.

 

He didn't force his hand. He waved his arms around for .5 seconds and then was slammed to the ground...


For selling cigarettes.

You people are dumb or trolling.

Bobby just made a statement that there are no legitimate cases of police brutality. He literally made a case that they are infallible.

That is an absurd premise.

 

The case they should get behind is Justine Damond. If police reform is going to happen, it would seem that the more people that gets involved, the more helpful it would be.

 

I think the most intellegent way to tackle police brutality is to high late the cases where the victims were white. That way people like Bobby can't make an irrational argument that black people are playing some race card.

People will care more if you highlight the brutality towards white people.

 

I'm sure you genuinely believe this. The only well known overblown incident I can recall is Michael Brown.

It's as if that one incident proves to the racists in this country that all black people play the receipt card when they have actual complaints.

 

Rioting is bad.

Letting cops kill people indiscriminately is also bad.

Mmmkay.

 

He was told to move from a spot he had already been arrested

Instead of moving he tries to give a soliloquy. Then starts waving his arms when they attempt to cuff him.

A cop says move you move.


Edit: selling cigarettes isnt serious but he was doing it next to stores taking business so they called the police. He should have just moved.He had no legit argument not to

 

Very true, and given that only one of the 2 things is actually happening, the rioting really does need to stop.

 

Dude you need to stop with the nonsense there are some cops that are bad if your to blind to see that there is no help for you.

 

I never said that there weren't some cops that are bad, I said that we weren't allowing cops to go around killing people indiscriminately....you know, because that's not happening. Obviously there are some cops that are bad, and they get dealt with.