On the way into work there was 1 lonely protester outside of US Customs Greenspiont against the end of this program. He was run off by the time I drove by later that day..
Most of the folks on this board have serious issues with non-citizens influencing elections. Take Russia for example....
100% agree. It's very important from a law & order perspective to punish an adult who's only known life in the US for the crime of being brought here when they were 2. Otherwise, 2 years old all over the world will be incentivized to convince their parents to move to the US so they can be US citizens when they grow up. It's a truly menacing problem of bad toddler incentives.
I'd honestly like to know which country Americans can go to, reside illegally, find a job that pays 4-8 times their current job here in America while improving their standard of living by nearly as much, and find support to remain there illegally. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
1. I thought you were always making snide remarks about the notion that we should be like other countries, but now you're saying it's bad that we're not exactly like other countries? We are a nation that celebrations immigrants (yes, sometimes awkwardly and violently, but still). 2. As an infant or two-year-old, I really did not consider any plans to try to get work in another country.
this is not about empathy, i got plenty. This is about fairness and order, how do you feel if you follow the rules and do everything right and still not get what you wanted but you saw other people breaks the rule and got what you been working hard for. I will tell you a true story, I have an uncle that waited for a lottery to come to the US for so long when he actually gets it he is too old and too establish to start a new life here in the US. Should i tell him that he is stupid for doing it the right way and he should have come here illegally and have my cousins here?
There are thousands of stories just like that, I had an ex who had family members that waited for 20 years for acceptance and when it finally came, they had long given up on it so they just stayed. These were good people with advanced degrees that could have been a benefit to society but because they were good people they did things the right way so they faced a massive hassle.....and yet some like border hopping *******'s children should be given citizenship just because he did things the right way and didn't get caught for a period of time? It's a slap in the face to anyone who chooses to do things the right way and it provides an incentive to ignore the laws in the country. It's just a terrible message that the "empathy" crowd would send because they spend too much time feeling and they don't spend enough time thinking.
How does that relate to someone who was brought her as a child not of their own will and are now at risk of being forceably deported to a country that many of the don't even fluently speak the language of. You haven't answered how your sob story is related to these people.
yes i have, there need to be a punishment for people. These parents need to learn that there is a consequences to their action. If they do this their childs will suffer, so it will deter future action.
The parents aren't going to be the ones suffering the most. It's going to be the guy or gal deported to a country he or she barely knows and can barely speak the language of. Your logic is nothing more than wishful thinking. If you care about pragmatism rather than empathy, keeping these people in a program makes them feel secure and safe enough where they don't scurry like roaches when Ice officials are in town which then allows them to not fear attending school and not fear applying for a proper route to legal immigration. And since DACA only accepts people with no criminal record and are pursuing some sort of education or trade, it creates an system where these kids have far too much to lose to risk ****ing up which means they are less likely to commit crime and more likely to receive some type of worthwhile skill and contribute to the economy.
You misunderstand his point, he's saying that if you deport the "dreamers" it will take away the incentive for people to break the law by crossing the border illegally. If they don't gain anything by that action, there's no reason to do it. If they do it and bringing their kid here will lead to that kid getting citizenship.....and help them get citizenship themselves as a result, then why would anyone do things the right way? Again, I get the "feelz" argument, but if you think it out, it's foolish.
i understand that you don't have a good defense to the argument that you will have to resort to change the subject. You cant tell the cop, hey the other people are speeding too why am i the only one being punish, this is about what is fair and what is right. There seem to be a lot of sympathy to the people who broke the laws but non for the people who follow the rules and this is why it make me so upset.
if we don't put a stop to this we will never break the cycle, like i said before if we let them stay what is to prevent a new group of parents from bring their kids here?
If you care about pragmatism, the only thing the removal of this program will accomplish is forcing these 800,000 or so young adults and kids to go underground, probably ditch school also.. Wouldn't be surprised if there is a slight increase in crime in the following years because of not having a program like DACA in place.
We are close to the same page. Punish the parents, make them leave. But the kids literally did nothing wrong. They have in the majority of cases done what you and I have done once we became post-toddlers. Go to school, work hard, try to do the right thing as Americans. Literally imagine that you fill out some application some day and learn that, whoa, you were brought here illegally as a baby. Suddenly, for something your parents did, 95% of your life and work is out the window. As for "but more illegals will bring their kids here," I doubt this is a motivating factor, but heck, the Dreamers are generally so Americanized and overall good, decent people, why wouldn't we want more of them? I'd much rather deport white nationalists and antifa and anarchists, TBH. I won't even go into how people who care about fairness (and I am such a person) can stay silent on the life and career and actions and daily words and tweets of our POTUS. Plenty of other threads about that. Cheers.
What rule did the 2 year old break? How should they feel if they have done everything right and worked hard to build a life in the only country they knew, and then they get deported to a country they've never known because a politician just wanted some votes? Where is the fairness and order there? You say you have empathy but you clearly don't.
It's hopeless. Some of these people are so far up their own ass that they can tell us with a straight face, that given the same circumstances, they would have voluntary deported themselves... to a country they don't know or barely can speak the language of. They have the audacity to say that just so they can find a way to make these people the 'bad guys' who deserve it.
