Questions for Conserative/libertarians after Harvey.

Bobby claims that the climate will change at a constant cycle regardless of human interaction.

How can he make this claim without understanding the system of differential equations used for mathmatical climate models? It's not obvious and Bobby is suffering from the dunning-krugger effect along with you.

 

So many things go wrong in this country, all we need to do is to be smart enough to collect some money to support our family. Politicians will take this country down soon. When you have a flooding in your home, do not expect the government can help you much.

 

If you look at a small enough scale, you'll see all kinds of "spikes", take a step back and it looks like this



Take a further step back and you'd get yet a different picture. When you put a hyper focus on a 100 year sample it's similar to looking at a 1 quarter sample and suggesting that Steph Curry sucks at shooting 3 pointers because he went 0-3. When you are talking about something as big as the climate of the planet, you have to look at the bigger picture.....and even then, accurate predictions are pretty much impossible due to the number of complex variables involved. Hell we struggle with local weather predictions of more than a week and those are much less complex than talking about the entire climate of the earth.

To be clear, I have no quarrel with climate scientists on this issue when it comes to the actual science of recording what has happened and what is happening, my only issue is with some of the alarmist projections that get published in order to drive increased investment in their field of study. What's really funny is how they've had to walk back some of the most alarmist nonsense that they've pushed because of the reaction to reports last year that it was already too late to do anything about AGW and essentially we were all doomed. Obviously a report like that was counter productive to their goals, so they've walked those claims back since then and now they usually settle on talk of only having 3 years or only having 5 years to push their agenda before we're all doomed. When it comes to the projection BS, that's where you have to factor in the conflict of interest.

 

Interesting footage from the 1930's...

 

Yup, that's why if those 2 dams ever failed during a storm like we just had, downtown Houston would be under 30 feet of water.....which is why they REALLY need to drop some money into those dams to make sure they never fail.

 

Right wingers like the aforementioned Bobby are either just trolls like alot of Trump fans are, or he's another one of those "God controls the earth, and we have nothing to do with it" fundamentalists. I don't see him as a Zealot fundamentalist type living in ignorance so that only leaves one option...







Geez... what the heck happened starting in 1950? He's right that the climate goes through cycles.... every 50 to 100 years in relatively similar patterns.... but you'd have to be a complete idiot to not see the spike that happened in 1950 in CO2 levels and not say.... geez... I wonder what caused that?

 

What's crazy about this is that was only about 1/3 of the water that we received this past week I believe.... which is really a testament to the dams they did build back in the 40's and 50's that they are still relying on now, but now they are not adequate for the sprawl we have now in Houston unquestionably.

Since I've been alive and grown up in Houston I can't tell you how many hurricanes we've dodged, and have been super lucky to avoid. Its only a matter of time before it happens again if they don't invest majorly into improving the flood management infrastructure in Houston.

 

You do realize that CO2 levels aren't the same as temperature levels right? While it's true that CO2 is one of many greenhouse gases, that doesn't mean that CO2 is the end all be all when it comes to the temperature of the earth.

Now if I was making statements about CO2 instead of talking about climate, then you might have a point....unfortunately for you, that's simply not the case.

 

LOL. Its funny. On the menu of threads in the D&D where it lists the latest poster all I see is "Ignored Member". I don't dare un-ignore on this one. I'm sure Bobby and RussianLegend are missing me.

 

LOL, so you comment on something that I posted, then pretend that you've got me on your ignore list simply because you can't refute what I said? If you really had me on ignore, you'd have no idea what I said. You are a funny kid dobro.

 

This graph is totally misleading and does not represent global temperatures during these periods.

 

Literally the vast vast VAST majority of people who study these things day in and day out say otherwise. Just because you and your ilk CHOOSE not to believe the mountain and mountains of evidence simply to save some sort of stubborn face doesn't mean there isn't a solution to it. Scientists have been preaching what we can be doing for decades. A select few simply refuse to adhere to those recommendations because they're in bed with the fossil fuel industry - who, btw, many in that industry also accept that man made climate change is real.

So please explain to the class why YOU THINK there's nothing we can do. Also, please list your credentials on the topic.

Thanks.

 

What a terrible thread title @glynch

How about " hey I want to get a bunch of disigenuous trolls and bots to come in and troll because i think this time I will really nail them! Also I would rather jab myself in the eye with a pencil but it wasn't sharp enough!"

If you honestly expect anything other than a shitshow from the few usual suspects, you are sadder than sad. And there is a lot of sadness to go around recently, so really just stop, we have enough.

 

Its not really a debate whether climate change or AWG is happening. The lesser question is how big of an impact human are having on the environment. The big question is how do we deal with it.

It becomes a religion when the main focus is to convince everyone its happening and try to get them to see the light (in religion, we call that converting). Now I understand its important that as a planet, we simply can not ignore it, which we are not. We are going through great lengths to make changes.

Punishing the AWG sinners is not a solution, which seems to be the primary goal. Its hypocritical because nearly every one of us use products that are a by product of fossil fuels. Cap and Trade is not going to reduce emissions. The power plants must continue pumping out those gases so we all can enjoy our AC at 75. We still pump oil out of the ground so we can enjoy driving our 23MPG pickup trucks to work everyday. Like it or not, cheap energy is a way of life. We can't offer free healthcare to the poor and elderly, free college education, building this perfect utopia where nobody goes w/out their wishes and desires. Everything comes at a cost. Taxing the billionaires until they are on welfare is not much of a solution either.

There is no easy solution. As far as I am concerned, those who live in their 3000sqft houses and drive their expensive eco unfriendly vehicles simply because its the American way of life are just as guilty as the power plants pumping out massive amount of greenhouse gasses. The fact is, as a society, we could do much much better collectively, but most of us do not want to be inconvenienced. Its much easier to go around chastising the bigger sinners.

 

That's not actually true. The "consensus" is about the question of if human activities add to climate change, just because someone in that field agrees with that does not mean that they agree with every tenet of the AGW religion.

Also, again, from a practical perspective, there's not anything you can do to force the globe to adopt whatever solutions the AGW religion proposes. Now we could cut down the emissions from the US and just eat the economic costs, sure, but you aren't going to get China, India, and other countries like that to cut down enough to make a difference. Just to throw some fun numbers out there, China is responsible for right around 27% of the total carbon emissions in the world right now, by 2050 it'll be more like 33% and India will have almost certainly surpassed the US in carbon emissions in the next 15 years....and much quicker if the US were to adopt the recommendations of the AGW zealots. So yeah, even if the projections by the AGW zealots are accurate, and we accept that the changing climate is 100% due to human activities and the earth would begin to cool if everyone followed the recommendations (which should be obviously false), there is still nothing that can realistically be done to stop it because realistically countries will continue to use old and cheap technology to give them an advantage over the countries who use new and really expensive technology.....also, old and cheap technology is all developing countries can afford.

That's not to say that cutting carbon emissions isn't a good ting if possible, I'm always in favor of cutting pollution when possible, but it's not going to cool the planet and that means more effort should be put into adapting to the changes vs trying to find a magical thermostat for the planet.

 

Hello Boys and girls!

Today's lesson is how to spot fake data! Fun!

Take this chart. You'll notice that it shows temperatures fluctuations of 1 degree celsius going back 9,000 years!!!!!
Wow, that sure is a long time, ain't it bobby? And let's ask...who were the cavemen taking temperature measurements all around the world for those 9,000 years accurate enough to distinguish fluctuations of 1 degree!!!! Who knew that cavemen had such good thermometers!!!!!

Ever wonder why IPCC and most scientific reports only go back to 1900? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fake data and charts - what people like Bobby use to live in their world of delusion.

 

What's this "we" stuff Tonto?

It doesn't matter how many times liberals and climate science believing conservatives say it, it won't make it true that "we" know anything. This country has a strong ideological split.

Basically the Trump Base is secure in their belief that college professors, the media, scientists, academic researchers, etc. are all pond scum and bring nothing to the table anymore. They aren't to be trusted. They are part of a scheme to make money via researching funding and are a cog in the machine of George Soros' plot to destroy America.

 

So-called "experts" are no match for Facebook common sense.

 

If Houston had a drought, would this also be caused by climate change? If i recall, the California drought was blamed on climate change. Are we saying that all bad weather is basically the result of us not handing more money over to the government?

 

Oops. Accidentally clicked on the D&D while I was not logged in and thus not blocking glynch's posts/threads. Of course he made this thread. Of course he did.

Who is in charge of city planning? Who is in charge of ensuring we have places for water to run off? Isn't that stuff typically handled by governments? So when these things fail, glynch can only think to blame... not governments. Ok.

This thread is incredibly stupid even by OP's standards. There clearly needs to be some thoughtful regulatory changes. I'm hoping this event will inspire a real change for good and less petty nonsense like OP enjoys engaging in.