Questions for Conserative/libertarians after Harvey.

what science backs up the claim that Harvey was caused by climate change? please link.

 

Your question doesn't really make sense, but I don't blame you because you really don't understand the topic.

Spend some time here:

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/8/28/16213268/harvey-climate-change

And spare us your copy pasted one liners out of the article, the overall message of the article is clear. Doing so would be intellectually dishonest.

 

Im not clicking on Vox. lolz...

The person I quoted said science backed the claim the climate change caused Harvey. Im asking for his science. what studies is he referring to. not complicated.

 

When areas located outside of the 500-year flood plain are getting hit by major floods multiple years in a row it's clearly not an issue of people building in flood zones.

 

And it's also just amazing the extent people will go to to place blame on anything but climate change, which is overwhelmingly agreed upon in the scientific community as being a major contributor to more and more of these catastrophic weather events. On top of that, we're breaking temperature records every year but conservatives will still label it a "religion" while showing up to sing songs to their God in the sky every Sunday, the irony is mind-numbing.

 

That doesn't mean you should look to the religion of "climate change' for answers though. A larger part of the problem is the continued development of the Houston area, more concrete, less soil to absorb rainfall. I mean there's lots of reasons why floods happen and have always happened, trying to blame it all on one small part of the equation is intellectually dishonest.

Also, while "climate change" likely plays a part....what good does it do to point that out? The climate is in a constant state of change, and always has been.....and there's essentially nothing that can be done about it.

 

Ahh, head in the sand. I think that is a great approach to a potentially catastrophic calamity. I am sure that will serve you well as you wait for rescue on your roof top during the next flood.

Here is some snippets from the article you refuse to read.

1.) First, it raised sea levels more than half a foot in recent decades. Higher seas mean more storm surges.

2.) Second, it raised the temperature of the water in the region, which means more evaporation and more water in the air. (Sea surface temperatures in the area where Harvey intensified were 0.5-1C warmer than current-day average temperatures, which translates to 1-1.5C warmer than the 'average' temperatures a few decades ago. That means 3-5% more moisture in the atmosphere.). More moisture in the atmosphere means more rain

3.) Finally (and most speculatively), one of the most damaging aspects of Harvey is how it’s hanging around in one place, thanks to weak prevailing winds. Mann recently published a paper suggesting that such near-stationary summer weather patterns are made more common by climate change.

All these factors contributed to the size and severity of the storm. Exactly how much they contributed will have to await peer-reviewed attribution science, but logic, experience, and measurements all make clear that Harvey’s damage was worse than it would have been absent recent changes in the climate. “The storm is a bit more intense, bigger and longer lasting than it otherwise would be,” climate researcher Kevin Trenberth told Mooney.

 

I've seen almost NOBODY on the left flat out blame Harvey on Climate Change and ignorant Republicans who deny science. If a Liberal is coming up and blaming you personally for Harvey because you voted for Trump they are an idiot.

I have however seen lots of discussion about climate change given our nature to try and understand how Harvey happened, and how climate change impacted it.

Fact- Harvey was a hurricane that got caught in pressure systems which caused it to sit on top of one area for far longer than any other Hurricane in history while half of the hurricane at all times was still sitting on top of the warmest body of water in the world to continue to still be on top of land, and retain refueling strength at the same time.

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Fact - The Gulf of Mexico is 2 to 4 degrees higher than normal than it should be due to climate change. Those few degrees compact the issue by adding more ability for a hurricane to obtain more moisture that it can dump in higher volumes.

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This Hurricane would probably still have happened 100 years ago sure. However its undeniably worse because of climate change. Both things can be true at the same time. Liberals on the left shouldn't be shaming Republicans and faulting them for Harvey, and Republicans should wake up and realize that denying science doesn't make anyones life better... its ignorance, and FACTS shouldn't be a partisan issue.

 

The fact is that the Gulf of Mexico is exactly the temperature it "should be" even if that temperature isn't the same as it once was at any randomly selected period of time in the past. It's currently warmer than some times in the past, it's currently cooler than other times in the past.....but the temperature was exactly the temperature it "should have been" during every single one of those random periods of time.

The climate is, and always has been, in a state of change...and there's nothing at all that can be done about it. So why act as though we can decide the temperature of things like that? It just seems like an odd thing to harp on when something like this happens given that there's nothing that can be done about it.

 

Also FEMA is a socialist government institution. All of us pitch in to help a few. That's the essence of socialist programs like them or not. Libertarianism is an attention seeking fad that cannot work as a government structure because of instances like Hurricanes that would crumble a "libertarian" government.

Conservativism however is a counterbalance to socialism to ensure we do not have too much power in government, and still have a capitalist economic structure with some socialism to take care of our people and infrastructure. That's the beauty of our country, and why people have lost a sense of moderation for seeing both sides of the coin to strike that perfect balance is beyond me.

 

Suggesting that Libertarianism ONLY means the most extreme interpretations (or even worse, suggesting that it means outright Anarchy) of that is no better than suggesting that Liberalism ONLY means Marxist Communism. You can do better than that.

 

When more intense storms are happening more and more frequently, I trust the people who study the climate. Climate change.

 

If you payed any attention to what I was saying, you'd know that I'm not suggesting that it doesn't play a factor.....it's just kind of a pointless thing to harp on in that there's nothing that can be done about it.

 

Curious how do you know there is nothing that can be done about it? Did man made CO2 and other gases contribute to the climate change? I would not claim to know as I do not study that area, I would bet you or 99.999% of the population have any real idea of the science behind these researches. That is why I trust the scientists who study and research these topics.

 

It's not something that is caused by people, and it's not something that can be prevented by people....any more than people can prevent a hurricane from hitting.

The climate was in a constant state of change long before humans existed, it'll almost certainly be in a constant state of change long after humans are gone.

Can people add to it in some small way? Sure, but there's no global thermostat to set and it's beyond foolish to think otherwise. It would be similar to someone running their garden hose into the street right now and suggesting that they were part of causing the flood.

 

Obviously you do not understand green house effect and other natural phenomenons.

 

Based on what? Are you suggesting that people started the greenhouse effect or can stop it? That would be the only way in which what I said could be inaccurate.

 

Denies climate change and then tries to appear smart. Just lol.

 

Based on science research, which I know you do not believe in, which is fine. Just like people before Galois believed in the sun orbiting the earth, truth cannot be changed. I trust the scientists much more than I do politicians, and eventually things will be proven over time if it is the truth, it just maybe too late for many people by then, but who cares about that, we are probably all dead by then.

 

LOL, okay, tell me what "science research" definitively disagrees with ANYTHING that I posted.