Questions for Conserative/libertarians after Harvey.

Hardcore Libertarians would not care.

 

Yes, of course it does - and it is something intelligent people have been saying for years - let's spend money on our own infastructure rather than wars we don't need to be involved in....

Cut military spending, increase spending domestically, and start investing in our own people and country.

DD

 

Im not sure why you're making this a Left vs Right thing.

On your 1st point, I am assuming you are leaving out war activities and only talking about infrastructure. I dont mind helping out other countries. There is a lot of benefit to it. The issue with Houston, like New Orleans, is that it is flood prone. The person chooses to live there. We dont need to needlessly throw money into a bottomless pit, but thats not to say we ignore the issue. No amount of planning would have prevented this kind of flooding.

If you want to raise taxes, then raise taxes. I dont advocate raising taxes for a specific project.

Harvey was not a 500 year storm, regardless of the catchy phrase people want to use. Houston is a victim to certain weather conditions that put the storm over the city for days. Just like Irene was not a storm of the century, it was a storm that so happened to hit a unprepared heavily populated area. Mother Nature doesnt give a **** about climate change debate or the destruction she does.

Last I recall, its the people on the left who have a problem with using illegals as labor.

 

7) Do you think this flood could have been avoided if the Stalinist system glynch has been dreaming of had been instituted?

 

1. No, the 2 things are in no way related.

2. I would re-structure the things we spend money on and pay for it with current or lesser levels of taxation.

3. Non-government aid is usually the most effective aid in these types of situations. You need the government too, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the best aid will always be from other organizations.

4. It could play a factor, but a bigger factor is the continued development of the region. When there is more concrete and less soil, less water gets absorbed and more water pools in low lying areas. Also, the reason this storm was so bad had more to do with a "perfect storm" scenario that stopped the hurricane in it's tracks. If the hurricane kept moving, like nearly all hurricanes do, there would be MUCH less damage and basically none done to Houston.

5. Yes....but freedoms come with their costs. If you build in flood zones, and don't have flood insurance, that's on you.

6. They shouldn't be here to begin with, and we certainly shouldn't seek out illegal immigrants for that kind of work given that it should go to actual citizens. That said, if they get some of those jobs, they get some of those jobs.

Of course not. If this were a scenario like that, it would be a disaster. Thankfully we'll never have to worry about that kind of BS.

 

Oh man, this is some extremely deep, fact based discussion going on here. Keep up the solid work.

Lol

 

LOL, I can't........ I just can't

 

Why the **** don't they just dig a canal from the bayou reservoirs that drains into the gulf? The city would never flood

 

3 major, city-wde floods in 3 years. And you think climate change has Nothing to do with it? I forgot some of u voted for President Cheeto too. Thinking a man who has done nothing but enrich himself on the backs of others and has been PETTY his entire life...would change.

 

Unless all the major coastal cities are behind walls or completely under water, some people would not accept climate change as a fact.

 

Climate change is a reality. But to pretend climate change is the bigger issue than people building in flood zones and the constant sprawl of the urban jungle is ludicrous.

You might have a short term memory, but flooding has always been a problem in Houston since I was a kid...in the 80's. Massive hurricanes are nothing new.

 

Uhh, what? Pretty sure people on the left generally argue for illegal immigrants to have as many opportunities as possible to be functional members of society. The left's issue is with employers abusing them because they have no legal rights

glynch covered that in Q5 of his original post.

 

Never said it was not an issue, Houston is just one small piece in the climate change issue, these once a century, once a life time disasters are becoming common once several year occurrences, that is what the climate change models predicted.

 

Except that time there's a hurricane off to the west which then pushes the entire Gulf of Mexico back into that canal and all over the city.

 

The federal government needs to spend less money, not more. It also need to tax more. It needs to not be running massive deficits.

Could there be more infrastructure spending? Sure, we just need to make sure we are spending it smartly.

 

There are multiple things at play.

1. Development reducing the amount of soil to absorb water
2. Pulling of ground water from aquifers causing subsidence
3. Bad luck
4. Climate change

Now people might say number 4 is controversial. But the climate has changed as the chart below clearly shows. Now, whether you want to say it's man made or not is up for debate (amongst those who think science is a scam industry), but there is no doubt that there world has more moisture in it. Great article about it here: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-how-is-that-possible/?utm_term=.81a289ed4f32)

 

You idiots don't realize that all this was caused by Houston electing a lesbian mayor. Ann Coulter said as much earlier.

Well, TBF, she said that explanation makes more sense than climate change, you know the thing backed by science and crap.

 

Blaming "climate change" for a Tropical Storm getting stuck between high pressure systems in absolutely the worst possible place is really reaching to try and push that religion. Is the Earth's climate changing? Of course it is, and it always has been and will continue to do no matter what is done.

If you want to blame any of Harvey on "climate change", it would be the damage in Corpus Christie and Rockport, if "climate change" played a factor in it, then it would be in the rapid intensification which caused the storm to go on shore as a category 4. The issues that Houston is facing on the other hand, has very little to nothing to do with "climate change" and more to do with the combination of a ridiculous number of factors all happening at the same time along with the continued development of the Houston area.

If you want to use this to push your "climate change" religion, at least be smart about it.