Another Day Another Uneducated Angry White Trumpanzee

Nobody who was at the event organized by White Nationalists which that event was, deserves to be recognized by the President of the United States as a really fine person.

It makes sense that people would be upset that the President is using his office to lend credibility to that cause. That is an issue that unacceptable. It is the president lending credence to the cause of white nationalists.

 

I totally missed that he should be put in jail for that there is no place for that type of behavior we all have the freedom to walk down the street with our signs it's known as the 1st amendment.

 

Maybe there was some politically ambivalent die-hard historian or something who pays his taxes and has no criminal record that showed up because he felt super passionate about keeping the statue in place?

 

I agree that Lee himself did not fight for the Confederacy because of slavery. But the Confederacy itself was indeed because of slavery. I agree with you also that Robert E. Lee was not in favor of slavery. But he fought for the side that was leaving the union for the purpose of preserving slavery.

The states did not secede from the union for any other reason than preserving slavery. I understand that some soldiers and leaders felt loyalty to their state and chose that as a reason to fight for the Confederacy unrelated specifically to the issue of slavery, but that doesn't change the reason why the southern state tried to secede.

I'm in favor of highlighting the flaws in characters from our history like Washington, Davis, Adams, and others. But that doesn't erase the good things they did either. I'm fine with not vilifying Robert E. Lee. But that doesn't mean he should be honored for fighting for the side that wanted to keep slavery in a war that was about slavery.

 

Maybe that guy should have organized a separate rally so as not to be linked in with neo-nazis and white nationalists. Since that didn't happen, I understand folks being outraged over Trump's comments today.

 

I think that's probably true, given hundreds of them. But when do you notice that you're carrying a torch, that most people are shouting about Jews, and that some of your new "friends" have Nazi banners? It takes guts to call it out right there, yes, but it takes no guts to just say "you know, this ain't for me" and walk off into the bushes.

I speak as someone who has spoken up and then left protests before -- an anti-war march, back in the naughts, got a little too anti-Israel for me, and that's not why I had joined that particular march. So I was out of there.

 

Maybe so, but one's gotta have some common sense to not show up and be associated with neo nazis no matter how you feel about the statue. Maybe they could've organized their own thing another day because they gotta know **** was going down, and the whole rally wasn't exactly all about the statue.

People that showed up were there to fight and riot, just like Berkley. and I'm talking about both sides here. The Anti-fa, Alt left that keeps showing up are not there to "counter protest", they are there to commit crimes. The alt-right neo nazi people are not there to protest about a statue, they are there to bait out violence so they can commit crimes.

Now someone snaps and runs over people with his car and both sides are playing victims, ****ing laughable. They should rent out an arena with weapons and have these people duke it out and leave the rest of us alone.

 

This Antifa guy was arrested although he was in a pretty good disguise.

 

Im curious though would you say then that we should just ignore Islamic extremists because there is nothing that makes them happier than to cosplay the next Salahudein? This is what I don't get about your position. You've made cogent arguments regarding Obama not calling out Islamic terrrorism by name but now you're saying that both sides are to blame and that we should just ignore these guys. How is buying the president's argument that both sides are to blame and we should ignore them not actually doing worse than what you accuse Obama of? Even though he might not have used the words "Islamic Extremism" his administration didn't hesitate to kill and pursue muslims even to the consternation of his own base.

I used to think it was better to just ignore these people but I think history teaches a different lesson. This isn't Godwin's law because these people are self-admitted Nazis. Many people in Germany in the 1920's and 30's also said that the Nazis were just a joke and we saw what happened. Many said Trump was a joke and we saw what happened. The white supremacist were celebrating on Saturday that Trump didn't call them out by name, ignored them. There is a time to ignore things and there is a time to confront things. This movement has gained and is growing.

 

Careful what you believe on line. "A Professor"? No.

Actually, "a former adjunct professor of philosophy at Diablo Valley College." So he's not teaching, but he once taught a philosophy course at a junior college part time. The so-credible video may as well smear all of established academia by calling him a "professor," right? That would be like saying "an NBA player" was caught in a violent situation when it was like someone who rode the pine for the Vipers.

Haven't watched any of the video itself, sorry. Just so easy to debunk the title alone. But glad if any violent person, from any "side" was arrested and charged, period.

 

I've read a lot of the history and I agree that General Lee was not just a villian and also that he was very conflicted regarding the situation regarding slavery. I also agree that Washington and Jeffereson were not the saints they are made out to be. THese people were people of their time but in judging them we need to look at where and how they transcended their time. Jefferson was very flawed but he also was able to articulate a vision that created a country and still resonates to this day. Washington was imperious and domineering but also understood the importance of not being a king and voluntarily gave up power when he very easily could've been a tyrant. Lee was an intelligent and sensitive man but when it came down to it he couldn't escape his regionalism and his time. Rather than taking a stand to see beyond his immediate surroundings instead he chose to defend those. Lee could've been one of the greatest Americans but instead he chose to defend a system and a cause that he himself knew was flawed and ultimately hopeless. That might not make him an evil man but I don't think that makes him a man to be admired.

 

You are 100% right. He was an adjunct professor. It was just the best video I could find with slow motion of the assault because it happened very quickly and a lot of the videos of the assualt require a sign in because of the violence.

I should have disavowed the title. The low paid adjunct professor posted his $100,000 bail and hired the high priced attorney Dan Siegal so he may get a wrist slap for the bick lock slap.

http://www.berkeleyside.com/2017/08...-berkeley-bike-lock-assault-pushed-september/

Preliminary hearing for Eric Clanton, charged with Berkeley bike lock assault, pushed to September

By Natalie OrensteinAug. 10, 2017, 10:49 a.m.

Trump supporter Sean Stiles was hit on the head with a bike lock at the April 15 Berkeley rally. Eric Clanton was charged with the assault. Photo: Daniel McPartlan

The preliminary hearing for a man charged with bashing a Donald Trump supporter on the head with a bike lock at a Berkeley rally has been postponed until Sept. 28, according to his attorney. The hearing was originally scheduled for Thursday morning.

Eric Clanton, a 28-year-old former Diablo Valley College philosophy professor, is the only person who has been charged in connection with the bloody April 15 rally so far. Users of the website 4chan identified the anti-fascist protester as the person caught on video assaulting a man with a bike lock at the protest, leading to his arrest. Berkeley police independently investigated Clanton as well.

Clanton was charged in May with four counts of assault with a deadly weapon, a felony, with the special allegation of causing great bodily injury to Sean Stiles. He was also charged with wearing a mask to evade identification, a misdemeanor.

Represented by attorney Dan Siegel, Clanton pleaded not guilty to all charges in May. He was released that night from jail after paying a $100,000 bail.

 

Sorry to focus so much on the title, but parts of the right are all into demonizing universities, and mostly we don't deserve it. We encourage students to look at information and think for themselves. And people like me just teach science at any rate. I'm up writing homework sets for undergrads even now.

Anyway, on topic, I hope if he committed a violent crime he gets a lot more than a wrist slap.

 

Now that is funny. ICE stands for Immigration Customs Enforcement. Unless these White Supremacists where sneaking over the border or were foriegners overstaying their visas ICE cannot do anything to them.

 

So is this fake news? Does ICE have the authority of prosecuting gangs?
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/l...ood-texas-and-aryan-circle-sentenced-20-years

 

what opinion is that? That violence is bad?

 

ICE is definitely involved in a lot of the prosecutions of the east Texas aryan gang members. I enjoy reading about their long sentences in the press releases.