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Woj: Knicks, Rockets re-engage on Carmelo Anthony trade talks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Aug 10, 2017.

  1. ROXTXIA

    ROXTXIA Member

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    Exactly.

    I'm not dismissing him out of hand. Maybe he's right on this fact or on that fact. But he clearly either has no insider information or is being fed bull**** sideways and regurgitating it.

    The sports reporters with their agendas are tiresome, oh so tiresome.

    Now all we need is Ramona Shelburne with her big-market slant on things and, as Darth would say, "The circle is now complete."
     
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  2. mario_v

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    I can name you four non dominant stars- curry, Durant and Thompson, draymond, if you considered the last two stars, I don't.

    Durant used to be ball dominant in okc but he has bought into Steve Kerr's system.

    And no, dantoni does not run a sophisticated, unselfish system lol. It's a standard pick n roll offense ran through harden, pretty much what every team runs.

    Ironically, warriors run the least amount of pick n roll in the league, yet they lead the league in assists.

    Rockets offense is simple and predictable, just look at the playoffs, Spurs figured them out.

    Dantoni's offense is like playing checkers, while the Warriors are playing chess.

    I recommend watching this video. It shows how the warriors run their offense.

     
  3. sirjesse

    sirjesse The Udoker has spoken!
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    See them......They will not let go of Anthony's future......

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  4. YOLO

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    used to be ball dominant? hes still ball dominant. he just wears a GS jersey now

    your're comparing a GS offense which consist of 2 mvps coupled with 2 all nba/all star caliber players to houston's offense which had 1 star on it. how does that even compare. There isn't a defense that can stop that team from scoring. it's easy to play "chess" when you have all the pieces :rolleyes:

    And btw you're downplaying a MDA offense when he just put out one of the best offenses in the league with only 1 star. I wonder what will happen if you add say a cp3 and another piece or two...... No every team does not run a MDA offense. not even close. you need to do your homework on systems
     
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  5. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    As long as we have Harden, we will always be a playoffs team. Odds favor this and if you can't see that, you are the one spouting hubris. Short of injury to Harden (again, odds going by his health history along with his style of play favor this), that's not going to change 3 years from now. It is not optimism, but rather very good odds based on the fact that we have one of the BEST players in the game who is always one of the most DURABLE players in the game with a playing style that is known to age well. How you can call that hubris is beyond me.

    It is not swinging for the fence at all. Swinging for the fence is we threw in young promising talent like Capela or give up multiple picks ala Lakers. We are talking about giving up ONE pick... singular, a pick that is most likely on the low end. Getting Lawson after contract adjustments for a single protected first round was and still is a low risk move as well.
     
  6. DaBeard

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    He never tweeted such thing
     
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  7. 1Deep

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    Smh..Knicks playing hardball like they have Melo in his prime without a NTC..
     
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  8. BigMaloe

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    I think this all comes down to a future 1st(asset) that we are not willing to involve.

    The earliest we can trade is 2020, but I'm not even sure that is because of consecutive protections going to LAC.

    We are not, (Morey), going to trade away that much flexibility and hamstring us that much going forward. It's Ryan or bust. Maybe some 2nds.

    After the draft next year, Morey (cp3 and harden) will be regretting LeBron. We can't realistically sign him outright.

    So we have another cp3 type situation. Opt in and trade or a sign and trade.

    If LeBron is going to walk and tells Cleveland that, (like cp3 did), then we have pieces to entice Cleveland.

    Ego, Tucker and a 1st is a good and similar package to the cp3 exchange.

    That has to be end game for Morey and I don't believe he is willing to risk it by giving up a 1st for melo in a situation he has all the power and leverage.

    The package is and always will be Ryan, NGs and 2nds.
     
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  9. 1Deep

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    If Morey turns that into LeBron he really will go down as the best GM ever.
     
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    Morey playing chess rn this is a message
     
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    LMAO. Great timing Morey. He reads CF.
     
  12. DaBeard

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    Morey out here playing chess while the rest of the GM's playing checkers
     
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  13. mockster

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    Melo confirmed
     
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    Morey out here playing chess getting Melo
     
  15. mario_v

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    A late first round pick is not worth much, especially if you're expected to be playing deep in the playoffs.

    If a first round pick is the only thing stopping this trade from happening, I say just do it.

    If lebron really wants to come play in Houston, he'll come one way or another.
     
  16. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    I am honestly pretty tired of this broken record rubbish...

    1. Curry was one of the most ball dominant players BEFORE Kerr joined the Warriors and got everyone to buy in. Same with Durant. All stars are "ball dominant" as long as they are the primary focus of the offense unless you play for the Spurs (then it's usually Parker). When they have a system and personnel that can make other person the primary focus, the stars can afford to not be ball dominant. Warriors have that and until this season, we never did.

    2. MDA is known as an offensive genius by people much smarter than me and you for a reason. We do not have a standard PNR system. We have a lot of variations of how we run it with various off ball movement to boot. If it is what every team runs, then every team would look the same as the Rockets. So, how come our offense was almost as good as the Warriors with much worse personnel and other teams weren't just as good?

    3. The Warriors run a lot of screen plays and they do great at it because they have the personnel for it. They have players who can handle the ball while Curry and Durant set screens. Do we have more than one player to run our system? No. Even with only one person to run our system, we STILL had a historic offense last season. This year, we added one of the best players to run the system with Harden.

    4. The Spurs did not figure out our offense, they took advantage of the fact that we have a SINGLE PRIMARY FOCUS OF OFFENSE. When you scheme to limit Harden and force our role players to make the extra pass or play, they CANNOT DO IT. Guess who we have next year who CAN DO IT? Also, once Nene went down and we had to have Harden guard bigs much more, his stamina went down the drain fast. Black will really help in this regard.

    5. Now this is just dumb. Houston had a top 3 offense last season. You don't achieve that by playing "checkers." As for the Warriors, it's easy to look like you are playing "chess" when you start the game with 3-4 queens. Spurs have trouble defending the Warriors like any team would, simply because they have 4-5 players that are really hard to guard. Rockets have 1, maybe 2 if one of our shooters got hot.

    6. I recommend you learning about the Rockets by watching/reading these resources:

    MDA 21 Specials:
    MDA Playbook: https://app.box.com/s/rpkqzhlshtj5evrdaepybk7ue19fnf4s
    Rockets Offensive System: youtube]374x8V2rouo Old video, but still very useful for comparison's sake
     
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  17. Nook

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    I personally think that Morey is hoping he can break Anderson's contract into two movable contracts; get the Knicks to take one of the contracts and entice a 4th team to take the other..... or find two movable contracts the Knicks will accept. The problem is that the Rocket have TRIED to do this already and nothing came of it....... things can change, but I don't see someone becoming interested all of a sudden.
     
  18. T FOR 3!!!

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    I think the Rockets had this already, but then the Knicks paused to hire a GM, and then they hit the reset button. Really hard to debate and haggle the same deal twice with a different person already knowing what you're going for..
     
  19. Vivi

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    I have the same feeling about the future 1st rounder...even though we could still protect the pick, i think it would be better to keep it.
     
  20. Nook

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    Exactly, why I am skeptical that anything gets done. I don't see the Rockets or Knicks changing their demands......... and at some point I think that Anthony accepts a deal to another team.
     

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