NBA trade rumors: Knicks keeping Carmelo Anthony over taking Rockets offer?

Wait, did you just suggest we trade away 3 starters for Melo??

 

Just glad you don't have Morey's job. You are on Holic-level.

 

Not sure why you would this would set you apart. Maury has been a mediocre drafter with a history of bust/scrub collection. Where he excels is in maneouvering the cap and on many trades.

 

I think several people replied to this post, but just to re-iterate, Melo is not leaving half that money on the table. There is a tiny possibility it happens if someone offers him a truly incredible deal next summer, but that's not going to happen after this drama takes place for a year and Melo plays like garbage and is a year closer to retirement.

You are also forgetting that Ntilikina shares the same agent, and that Noah is still a Knick for 3 more years.

 

Well, whether people agree or not isn't my focus. If I'm correct that rings are his goal, then he is likely to leave. Is one year of getting an extra $13.5mm (if your "half money" assumption of his true mkt value is correct) really that big of a deal if you want to play with a buddy, want a championship, and when you already have $90mm padding your checking account? $90mm he didn't have when he signed his previous deals. Those who think he's staying are overvaluing that one time extra amount relative to championship/banana boat hopes, which Melo has proven to be focused on given his list. Plus, if he has asked for a buyout, that means he doesn't think highly of the 5th yr salary of $27mm bc you can't ask for a buyout then ask to be rewarded for the PO ETO you obviously plan on exercising that negates that final year. But you're def allowed to have your opinion.

How am I forgetting Ntilikinina? I assumed he would develop enough to be arguable as a core piece. And really? How is Noah considered a "core" player for a championship team?

 

If people agree with you or not is kind of important when you're one of the least informed fans on the board. Of course, you couldnt possibly know that, so I don't know why I'm bothering.

 

I don't know why you bothered with that substance-less comment. Anyone can share an opinion. All that I ask is you provide objective rationale. Your opinion, like your left brain, is remedial.

 

I don't think he'll stay for the money. I think he will just not want to win a championship more than he wants to stay in new york. The money is a nice bonus, but not the main issue. You are assuming something about Melo that has only been true for 1 month: that he is first and foremost a player chasing championships. Melo wants to join this Rockets team. He doesn't want to join San Antonio or Cleveland or OKC or Minnesota, all of whom are contenders. If he is not getting that, he prefers New York or a buy out. That's what it means when a player with an NTC agrees to be traded to one team.

Regardless, he is not accepting a buyout for half the amount, which was the initial post you quoted. They can buy him out for $50m, he won't accept less. They can keep him for a season and destroy their image as well as their relationship with the agent of Ntilikina and pray to god that he opts out. We won't be able to sign him, and whoever Lebron joins is going to need more than a Carmelo Anthony to go head to head with GS. Remember, we have a 27 year old James Harden. Lebron is looking for people to carry him as he declines - that's the difference between the Miami team he built and the Cleveland team he built. He clearly understands that as he gets older, his banana boat needs to get younger.

Noah is NOT a core player for a championship team. He's not even a basketball player anymore. He is, however, going to take $20m of their cap every year for the next 3 years. The Knicks are not ALLOWED to trade away the amount of draft picks it would take to get that contract dumped. Just thought you should add that to your projected core of Porzingis, Leon Rose-managed Ntilikina, mediocre Tim Hardaway Jr, unmovable Noah and somehow max cap space you're projecting. Hernangomez is decent I hear. Truth is Knicks are DONE and need to tank for 2 years straight, and it's not because people are trying to screw them, it's because they gave Melo and Noah and Hardaway those contracts.

You are correct that the Knicks CAN screw us out of it, but that is different that what is best for the 2020 Knicks. If you were hired to run that thing and turn it around, you are not letting Phil Jackson's screw ups reflect on your performance. You are not going to risk Ntilikina's agent steering his client away from the toxic situation.

Knicks want to sell a few more tickets, keep their name trending. They'll make the deal or do the buyout before the playoff deadline, guaranteed. Works great for us.

 

The helluva it all is that the Knixies are sold out last year, this year and likely every year going forward. Their revenue stream is intact. They, therefore, can and do think differently than just about every other team.

That said, I believe Melo will not be reporting to Westchester for the start of training camp but to the Rox, or possibly?possibly? some other team but not the Knixies.

 

deserves its own thread

 

"The teams that find the Chandler Parsons, not the ones that pay them the max, are the ones that succeed long term." - Morley

 

Trevor Ariza is the only starter of worth. Ryan Anderson isn't bad, but just one dimensional. He averaged 29 minutes a game and he has a 19 million dollar a year contract. New York will never take that bloated contract because they already have 3 power forwards that give them more bang for the buck. Anderson is a starter because Houston sucks at the PF position. Capela is the same case at center. 24 minutes a game is not starter minutes. There's a reason Houston brought 34 year old Nene back and why they picked up Tarik Black. Houston sucks at PF and C.

SF is a Houston strength. The trade I propose takes from SF and improves PF and C. Ariza is a free agent after this year, and I doubt that he has a future in Houston anyway.

This is a make or break year for Capela and he knows it. He knows he has to log starter minutes to be considered a legitimate starting center. I'm betting he never makes it.

 

Why would he be able to demand the full freight if the ETO ball is in his court? No court would say he has the right to that. It's his decision to not stay the extra year if he's wanting a buyout, therefore no payment should be expected from the Knicks for that yr. Show me where in the CBA or legal precedence where the agreed upon party terminating an optional contract extension deserves rights to the payment for the year cancelled in question, and I'll bow down.

I'm only assuming that Melo's current focus is winning and banana boating. That's all you can assume given his recent Cleveland destination flip-flop. That's very reasonable. You're also assuming that all factors are equal in his past decisions as they are today, and they're not. My assumption has been given credence by his recent behavior as he's only wanted us and until recently Cleveland.

Actually, I did consider the unmentioned players salaries. I just didn't mention them because, again, not "core". Including those guys, Knicks salary is roughly $65mm guaranteed in 2019/2020. I assumed the NBA cap will hover around $115 (salary cap in last 3 years has risen $30mm), leaving about $50mm to sign KP and another FA. KP assumed to be matched in RFA at around $20mm/yr. Only 5 players signed on for 2019/2020 season with guaranteed contracts thus needing the 10 extra players (superstar and 9 other players) I mentioned for a full 15 man squad. Proof below.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/2019/

 

Nah they're just trying to get leverage.

 

Exactly. Melo would likely be a Rocket already if Mosey gave up Gordon or Ariza in a three way deal. All of this talk of NY being in the driver's seat and Morey being desperate for a deal is silly.

 

It makes me wonder how many of these clowns watched the playoffs.

He was growing up in front of our eyes against the Thunder. That was a TOUGH matchup. And then he completely massacred the Spurs in round 2. It was PG/SG that was our weak spot against the Spurs, make no mistake. The Spurs series was over. Clint had the paint locked down. He completely dismantled Lamarcus and Pau and David Lee.

James Harden gave it away.

 

13 points
10.5 rebounds
2.5 blocks
.692 for the free throw line
29.3 MPG in 6 games against the Spurs. Starter...

 

Knicks need to buyout Melo so we can have Anderson come off the bench.

 

And then we have no money to re-sign him... they trade him we have his bird rights