Justice Dept. to Take On Affirmative Action in College Admissions

My disdainful instruction? If all you're gona do it assume random nonsense and insult me there's no point in responding. I don't post here much, maybe i said something in some other thread that really upset you or something, i'm not sure. If i did, sorry about that.

 

I disagree as I prefer equality over artificial discrimination on any grounds.

 

You're the one assuming random nonsense about your minority students stealing college slots from white students.

 

I don't have white students, i said that earlier

 

He never said "white students" he's likely talking about Asian students who are discriminated against when it comes to college admissions. In a ceteris paribus scenario where there is 1 spot available, the Asian student gets assed out and it's BS. I don't think that is in question really. The Asian student would have to be better to get an opportunity because if they are merely as good, they get passed over for racial reasons.

 

What always bothers me about the Affirmative Action argument is . .. . . .
Every one assumes THE LEAST QUALIFIED PERSON IN THE WHOLE CLASSS . .. . . is a minority
Which is rare
So if an Asian misses out on a spot. . . it is because some minority . . .. not that LEAST QUALIFIED PERSON IN THE CLASS

When People treated me like a Affirmative Action case
I'd point out . .. I had a better GPA did better on the SATs and came from a larger school and school district
then ask them . . . HOW THE F*CK DID YOU GET IN WHEN YOUR MARKS ARE INFERIOR TO MINE IN EVERY F*CKING WAY????

Rocket River

 

Discrimination already happens. There's a finite amount of seats and plenty of candidates with different qualifications. It's why there's an admissions process in the first place and why "dumb" athletic kids can get scholarships to elite institutions without even wanting to learn.

The issue is whether the system without AA still disproportionately favors an unfair system propped up 60+ years ago to benefit Caucasians and the rich.

Given the amount of civil progress and the fact that people from both sides can complain about aspects of AA means that it has achieved some degree of success at work and schools. It should be healthy to discuss tweaking the system, but it's too much of a wedge.

At this point, if a university's mandate is to foster diversity in look and in thought, that formula will have to be tweaked because of the disproportionate number of Asians relative to population and the declining admissions rate of men in colleges.

Oh such a burden on society it is to be a white guy!

 

I reject the notion that a system based upon merit disproportionately favors Caucasians or any other group, it's merely a fair system. Any system set up to "foster diversity" over simply rewarding achievement is morally wrong.

 

It is still rewarding achievement. It's just your criterion for it is different than a university's, as it would be different for other universities and others and so on.

I've never heard of academics being the only defining qualification for any college, but I'm sure many outwardly pretend they do.

 

It's not exclusively rewarding achievement though, it's also rewarding students for the color of their skin and punishing others for the color of their skin....which most people should be able to realize is not only NOT an achievement, it is fundamentally racist and therefore wrong.

 

If more than third of the school body represents an ethnicity that is less than 15% of the population, I'd have reservations too if I was admin to a school that had a race weighted admissions policy.

In California, without AA and with a larger Asian pop, that percentage hovers around 40 at many UCs.

If I was a poor Asian from a less common nationality, I'd still be punished in AA based admissions even if I wasn't Indian, Korean, Chinese or Japanese. Definitely think there needs to be a change.

 

At it's crudest, it is only about race, which thank God, isn't as big a barrier as it was in the 60s.

I know that a good essay and recommendations can mean the difference in getting in your top choice or your 6th option.

And I would totally support a historically discriminated minority getting in with a 5% difference in scores if they're one of the top 10 students in a typically poor and unfunded school. If the kid chooses that college over a lesser one with a guaranteed scholarship, more power to him.

That's a different achievement under a different judgement system. It's not necessarily unfair from a purely binary principle as the resources, grooming, training and preparation that student had was far less than what he achieved with.

Even in California, their weighting system isn't purely academic, so dismissing a persons achievements because they don't fit that sole criteria is coming from an evaluation system that doesn't exist.

 

Just so we're clear, this is you endorsing outright racism.

This is you making assumptions about entire groups of people based entirely on their race....I hope I don't have to explain to you why this is wrong.


In situations like this, you merely need to change up the groups that benefit and the groups that are discriminated against to see that the system is fundamentally wrong.....even if the fundamentally wrong thing is done with the best of intentions.

If it would be wrong to have a system where a white or Asian student was given preference over other minority groups based on the merit of their race, then it is wrong to have a system where a different minority is given preference over white or Asian students based on the merit of their race. This really isn't an advanced concept we're dealing with here. Either you embrace racist policy or you reject it, there's not really a middle ground in this instance.

 

artificial discrimination vindicated with good intentions ,is better than a fake social justificatory to eliminate whatever little was given

 

Nothing works in isolation. Assuming everyone came from similar backgrounds with similar opportunities for better scores or grades, then I'd be more inclined to take your point of view.

If the students lives in a poorer area where people don't perform as well, but he does, then it isn't outright racism. It's just one of many factors.

White people of certain classes already get preference in all colleges, with or without AA. I don't see you waving the unfair card over that.