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[2017-2018] Jeremy Lin as a backup point guard on the Brooklyn Nets

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by swyyyguy, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. yoeddy

    yoeddy Member

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    This is not America.
     
  2. toycannon

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    A very good point and can't really argue about this point at all...
     
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  3. yoeddy

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    The trade also included 6 other players, a draft pick and cash in exchange for Chris Paul. So kind of like trading Jeremy and a draft pick to make room for a max contract for Chris Bosh, except that Bosh decided not to come. So I guess Jeremy is equivalent to 7 player in this scenario. Agree that there's really nothing to argue here.
     
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    Lol you guys act like "to make room for Chris bosh" adds to lin's value somehow. If lin was a valuable player the lakers would have taken him without a first rounder. Didn't we get a pick for asik? Lol
     
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    LOL his contact $$$ value was being used to free up space. But as a bball player he had NEGATIVE value!!!!! are you LOFs that just blinded or playing stupid or simply stupid???
     
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    they are spinning last season's nets as a success story.
    what do you think?
     
  7. yoeddy

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    Nope! Just trying to show how dumb the "we got CP3 for Patrick Beverley" thing is...
     
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    Pat had positive trade value, Lin had negative. Not really an argument.
     
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    Haha yup...

    But when Airemy Lin fans have their heads so far deep his ass, things get a little fuzzy for them.

    Not to mention, the Lakers wanted the pick from us, not Airemy. They dumped his sorry ass just a year later. A team so low on talent had no room for Airemy and his airballs.

    Let that sink in.

    Lulz...

    Not a bad haul for the Lakers. Got a draft pick from us for taking our trash out (Airemy), then they used his **** basketball display to earn a lottery pick, and finally just a year later dumped his ass.

    Very efficient use of Airemy the scrub.

    Hahaha...
     
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  10. yoeddy

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    At $5M/yr, of course Beverley had positive value. So together with 6 other players/contracts, a draft pick and some cash, they were able to match value for CP3. Great! And yes, I have agreed many times that Lin's 3rd year on his contract, the "poison pill", was too much for how he was playing given the salary cap at the time...so yes, "negative value" at $15M. So it's a completely asinine comparison to say "we got CP3 for Beverly while we had to give Lin away for free".
     
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    We didn't give away lin for free...we had to ship a first rounder, why is that so hard for you to acknowledge ?

    Is this not the post you are replying to?
    He didn't say "we got cp3 for Beverley" he literally says bev was in a trade that got us cp3...I'm sorry to inform you but it's true. Bev didn't go straight up for cp3 but literally nobody here is saying that. Cp3 is a point gawd that wants to play with a top player in the game. Not some scrub that wants to inflate his stats on the worst team in the league
     
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  12. yoeddy

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    Not hard for me to acknowledge at all. But like the news media these days, it's a statement made without context or complete information, leading the reader to a conclusion that is biased and inaccurate. Is that so hard for you to acknowledge?

    Again, out of context and incomplete information. If Lin's contract was in the $5-8M range, he would have had far more trade value than the $15M contract he was on. At the same time, if Bev's contract was $15M, he would have been much harder to include in a big trade. Obviously, ZBoy's message was meant to imply that Beverley was a far better player than Lin because "we got CP3 in a trade for him, while we had to give up other stuff to get ride of Lin"...without acknowledging the other components of the CP3 trade (6 other players, draft pick, cash) or the inflated extra $10M of Lin's contract. Why is that so hard for you to acknowledge?
     
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    I never disagreed about their contract size? You said we gave away Lin for free, which is a flat out lie. We had to give **** away just to get ride of the guy. That's negative value. Doesn't get any lower than that. Nobody in here said bev got traded for Lin straight up. And now that bev is gone we don't have lingering Patrick Beverley fans making up lies in the dish. Weird. Isn't it?

    @yoeddy is def @mig0s. I refuse to believe there is more than one person on this planet that actually believes "Lin was traded for Chris Bosh"
     
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    How can you compare lin and bev fairly? One of them plays meaningful basketball and the other plays on the worst team in the league. Put Austin Rivers on the Nets and he would kick ass, someone has to score the points.
     
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    Beverley, 2 time NBA all defense team.

    Beverley, One time NBA all defense 1st team.

    Beverley, wanted by several NBA teams including LeBron James and Cavs.

    Beverley, a valuable piece that got us the best PG in the league.


    Airemy Lin....eh....eh....

    Airemy, cost us a draft pick just to get rid of him. In contrast, Asik got us a pick when he was traded. No one wanted Airemy's scrub ass unless we gave them something.

    Airemy, scrub PG for the worst team in the league.

    Teams looking to trade for Airemy: None.

    Lulz......
     
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    You realize LOFs spin everything in favor of their hero right?

    They are treating Clutchfans like it's RealGM. The only reason they are here is because they are insecure that team fans of any team might say something contrary to their beliefs in Lin.

    They are trying to start some Lin Caliphate on Clutchfans or any other team site.
     
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  17. yoeddy

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    When did I say "we gave away Lin for free"?

    zboy's post said:

    "Patrick Beverley - In a trade that got us CP3.

    Airemy Lin - In a trade that cost us a draft pick just to dump him."

    He is clearly implying that that he thinks Beverley is better than Lin because of the value returned in the CP3 trade versus the giveaway of Lin in the Laker trade. However, anybody with a brain knows that the value of their contracts (Bev's $5M vs. Lin's $15M) had a huge impact on what value they would get back in a trade.

    Also, I don't know if you read the Houston Chronicle, but there was a lot written there at the time about the Rockets pursuing Chris Bosh and Carmelo, and needing to clear cap space in order to do it...and that trading Lin was necessary for the Rockets to be able to try to sign either. Do you not read the local Rockets sports reports?
     
  18. yoeddy

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    I didn't compare them. I posted an article written by a Lakers fan that compared them.
     
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    You say here that people are saying we got cp3 for bev and we had to give Lin away for free lol. Every rockets fan knows we shipped out a 1st except you and mig0s
     
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    Trading Lin to pursue Chris Bosh is not trading Lin for Chris Bosh. Lol. Not even close. Asik was traded to make room for bosh and we got a first rounder. Because he wasn't ass. Lin was traded and we had to give away assets. Asik nor Lin were traded for Chris Bosh. If they were Chris Bosh would be wearing a Houston Rokets jersey
     
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