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President Bannon - reduce LEGAL immigration plan

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Aug 2, 2017.

  1. TheFreak

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    Wow. That's pretty bad.
     
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    This Bill would have prevented me from existing. My dad immigrated to the U.S. legally as an engineer. Then he brought over his wife and daughter - my mom and my sister - after he had established himself. Since they clearly weren't high skill they wouldn't have been let in. Thus my dad would have never come here. By the way, he was the head engineer in making nuclear power plants terrorist-proof across the country in case you think that he didn't contribute something to America.

    This is an evil bill. It's not meant to do anything but make this country more white to appease the base and make it a weaker nation.
     
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  4. NewRoxFan

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    Still waiting to hear from Ted Cruz on this bill. Mario Rubio appears to support it without saying he will vote for it

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article165299572.html
     
  5. Cohete Rojo

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    The problem with the bill is that it does nothing to strengthen Western ideology abroad. By making this a "skills based" bill, rather than a "recourse based" bill, we are saying that: we stand for nothing, ideologically; we care not help other nations rise above their current downtrodden state; and we place technology above ethics, morals, humanity, etc.

    Don't be blindsided into believing that technological superiority is equivalent to moral righteousness.
     
  6. Newlin

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    I'm curious. How many millions of legal immigrants do you feel the U.S. should allow in each year?
     
  7. NewRoxFan

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    Enough. And perhaps based on our declining population and current job numbers, more.
     
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    Well said.
     
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  9. Newlin

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    I don't disagree. But, can you give me a number? And shouldn't the number of legal immigrants be allowed to greatly increase if we reduce the number of illegal immigrants. I think the Number of legal immigrants is usually about a million per year.

    Also, how do you think the U.S. should decide who is allowed to immigrate to the U.S., I assume many more would like to come if they could.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    I think increasing the number of legal immigrants and overhauling the process of how it works would greatly reduce the number of illegal immigrants.
     
  11. NewRoxFan

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    Agreed. Unfortunately, the approach it appears we are taking is bass ackwards. We are trying to make it harder for illegal immigrants coming in, and kicking out those already here... and now we are trying to cut the number of legal immigrants coming in from roughly one million to roughly 500k.

    I also don't like the mechanism they are using to reduce the number of legal immigrants (requiring English and having some level of job skills). I think everyone knows at least someone (or perhaps even is related to someone) that came to America with limited or no English and in search of some type of job. In our family... we have two very staunch Trump supporters (my wife's mom and stepdad). My wife's mom came to the US from Guatemala sixty years ago, couldn't speak English, and took classes to become a beautician. Many people for her extended family have immigrated to the US with various levels of English (her own mom never spoke English and worked as a housekeeper).

    So using this new Trump/Cotton/Perdue plan... my wife would not have been born. 'Course, neither would Donald Trump (his grandfather immigrated to the US with no English skills and no job).
     
  12. Cohete Rojo

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    There isn't nothing wrong with a priority on English-speaking immigrants. We have more than enough people in this country which cannot communicate in English at highly-proficient level.

    In fact, there are many Americans, who are English-only speakers, that cannot speak Enlish at a highly proficient level: bad grammar and limited vocabulary/diction.
     
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    At the risk of looking like I am ducking your question... I honestly don't believe there is such a number of immigrants. I know I am not qualified to give one (smarter people than me should analyze the jobs, the benefits of greater immigration (both tangible and intangible, and both internal and external), the reasonable limitations, and come up with some number. And even then... if 1.3M is the magic number... do you say "Sorry Joseph and Mary, no room in the inn" to the next applicant?
     
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  14. Newlin

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    Well, I think that's a good answer. I think the immigration issue is a very difficult and complex problem. I really don't want to keep anyone out. I wish we could allow anyone in that wants in. But, we all know that just isn't possible.

    In the long term, I think the U.S. needs to work with our neighbors to the south and around the world to improve living conditions for all. Many times people come to the U.S. out of desperation, not because of they want to leave their native homeland.
     
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    That bill will probably have a hard time getting through Congress
     
  16. TheFreak

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    Too easy.
     
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    I've head this point made by politics commentators. So, the only point for this announcement is for Trump to signal white nationalists and nativists that he's still with them and they should stick with him through his scandals.
     
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    This is a racist and inaccurate statement. How is this a bill to supposedly make this country more white when those prospective immigrants who will benefit the most from the proposed merit based system are Asian?
     
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    Cuban immigration of Cruz and Rubio's generation along with their parents has been a special case. The Cuban Adjustment Act, Wet Foot Dry Foot policy has meant that Cubans haven't followed the same rules as immigrants from other countries. That might contribute to why they might not be as concerned with this policy as they don't feel as much in common with the experience of other immigrants.

    One of the last things that the Obama Admin. did was to scrap the special immigration policies for Cubans so if this bill passes and nothing else changes it's likely future Cuban immigrants woudl be subject to the the same restrictions as other immigrants. It wouldn't surprise me though if someone in Congress added an amendment excepting Cubans from those restrictions.
     
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    That isn't exactly true. Yes the bill will greatly favor well educated and well off Asians but not all Asians are like that. Further the restrictions on family admissions means that even a well educated Asian will have a hard time bringing in their family. As noted in the case of my family that woud've meant that my grandmother nor my youngest uncles would have been allowed in the country. Further the restriction on refugees means that many Asians such as Vietnamese, Hmong and Lao who came here as refugees wouldn't be able too.

    The unambigous goal of this bill is to greatly reduce legal immigration in total. Just because Asians may be able to hold onto a larger piece of a shrinking pie doesn't mean that they are benefitting.
     
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