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Contest 3s are better than open 2s

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Air Langhi, Jul 31, 2017.

  1. Air Langhi

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    I guess Morey is right.
     
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    Morey is usually right, but we have a bunch of armchair GM's here who always think they know better and argue with whatever he says for some odd reason. There are exceptions though, like CP3, and that's why we let those types of players shoot midrange shots.
     
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    Morey is a horrible gm
     
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    That works for the average player, not for players standard deviations away from the norm.
     
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    This. If we had a player like CP3 before this season, we would have taken a lot more midrange shots. We just don't want people who suck at them taking long midrange jumpers. This happens to be the vast majority of NBA players.
     
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    There are obviously exceptions. CP is one of the most efficient mid-range shooters in the game. This aggregated data doesn't apply to him.
     
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    The main reason is because the league protects shooters and the way that mid range and 3pt shots are taken you cannot block a 3 pointer.

    Come playoff time though, I would rather see more twos taken than extra contested threes. Extra contested twos have a likelier chance of going in than extra contested threes.
     
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    So that's why we lost to the Spurs last year
     
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    That's not the reason. You can also read the guy's twitter to understand.
     
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    Overall, fine, but it depends a lot on the shooter. There are some guys who are OK when wide open but are absolutely terrible with any kind of contest on their 3s.

    One guy that comes to mind is Thabo Sefalosha at OKC. Seemed like the slightest contest dropped his 40% to near zero.
     
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    Then we have Lou who is like the opposite of that; shoots when contested and on the move, can't hit at all when left open.
     
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    Are missed 3s more likely to lead to transition opportunities for the other team?
     
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    Morey should stick to getting players. His job is not to tell what works, and what doesn't on the court. His excessive harping on analytics has confined us to the 3/D and P/R. He has never played the game. Stick to your GM job, leave the rest to the coaching staff. Stats have their limitations.
     
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    I'd be interested to see this stat in the playoffs and with the attempt numbers of each category. I'm sure that how many things were contested completely changes and that contested threes go down a good bit once the playoffs start. In my opinion, the playoffs is mostly about consistency and not waiting to get hot. Open threes and contested/uncontested twos feel more consistent in the playoffs, but I wonder what the numbers say?

    Looks like the service is a paid service.
     
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    I was being sarcastic. Obviously, general averages don't apply in every instance, and I still believe reluctance to take open midrange shots and PREDICTABLY camping out on the three-point line was the major reason why we lost to the Spurs.
     
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    Not any more than missed long 2's.
     
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    Can they narrow it down to 4th quarter? I'd like to see that. I always feel that these 3's they jack up in the 4th quarter of games aren't as high percentage because of fatigue.
     
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    Missed threes lead to long rebounds which CAN lead to more transition opportunities for the other team if said shooting team is lazy and doesn't get back on D.

    Let's just completely ignore the fact that the entire league has been trending towards this same concept. Also, Morey doesn't coach (unless said coach is inept at actually coaching like McHale). He provides data that can help coaches and players. Do you see MDA out there on the sidelines and drawing out plays or do you see Morey?
     
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    I feel like this is also because teams and players have become less and less focused on the mid range jumper. It is the hardest way to get points, but statistically is t that where most players force shots at the end of the shot clock? Desperation cotested middie then contested three.
     
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    The major reasons we lost were because:

    1. Nene got hurt, killing our front court depth
    2. Harden ran out of gas
     
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