Wow. Euron has a time travelling ghost fleet. He can be anywhere at anytime. THE BLACK PEARL LIVES!!!
I think the one thing that's lost in the shuffle is that significant time goes by even though the episodes move quickly. One second, Jaime's getting some sisterly trim, the next, he's marched an army across lower Westeros. They're telescoping the story. They couldn't go on forever with the show so they're collapsing it, showing the highlights.
While true, we know that greyworm left the morning after the dorne folks. The dorne folks only had one days headstart and they had to go the same direction. It's a silly situation. Euron would have hit the greyjoys, sailed back through same bay he left which happened to be where greyworm was sailing out of, did his elaborate stuff with cersei, gotten his ships ready again and then sailed back out of the bay after greyworm and catching up to him the same day he landed.
I would almost respect the writers if they just admitted they f**ked up last season giving Dany too much power. Euron is a d**k swinging plot device to get the playing field leveled.
TV shows always warp time. Hell look at 24. The one show that's supposed to be about doing this in a certain time frame...screws with us. If you are trying to argue over logistics just based on time..forget it.
Set aside super euron for a moment... Glad that bran made it to winter fell but man is he creepy now lol. He gave Sansa the willies. Still, how quickly she was to embrace him as lord of winter fell despite John being king in the north. Wonder if Tyene will really die or if bronn will give her the antidote. Good for olenna getting in a last dig. Wonder how much it burned her up to know that her own people betrayed her. I don't get why the crowds would cheer on euron. Don't they hate cersei?
first off, I have multiple times said Dany should have known Euron was around with an armada. OK, so we don't have to discuss that. I agree. Black Sails is historical fiction involving real sea battle tactics. It's on the History Channel How sailing battleships work isn't fantasy on Black Sails. The maneuverability and strategy of the captains sailing those ships isn't made up fiction. It's historically accurate. See...here's where I think you are just stating fact to make your case, where that statement of fact is highly questionable, if not flat out proven wrong by the history of known sea battles. fwiw: they were launching artillery first. The ramming came about 30 seconds later. Euron was sailing at full ramming speed. Even in the episode, they made a point of showing how you could barely see him while approaching at full speed. He had no lights on. Rewatch the scene. Those ships can definitely go stealth at night, and they can definitely still sail in stormy weather. Besides, rewatch the scene. There is no stormy weather. Here is where it is obvious you don't know how to sail. I'm not going to get into how sails work. Look up sail airfoil. Your statement here is irrelevant to the attack. There's much more proof of Euron's ships being able to execute that stealth attack than Wildlings being surprised on their turf. So, American Indians would never have scouts positioned miles or so out protecting a huge mass of army....and Gen Custer would just fly in on horses with no time for defensive position. My point isn't to complain about that awesome Stannis attack which made for great TV. My point is I don't understand how you can not accept that it kinda requires more explanation of reality than Euron getting up on Yara's ass, under the cloak of darkness, on quiet sailing ships. bottomline: Stealth sailing is done and described in sea battles of history. Sneaking up on American Indians with 1600 cavalry....not so much.
I knew it, going to Casterly Rock was a waste. There was no good reason for them to go there and now they're trapped. No unsullied, no dorne, no tyrell. Beginning to think Cersei is going to win this thing after all.
I don't really understand how large the Lannister army is. They always seem to have troops everywhere and in large amounts. Aren't they still in the riverlands to hold down the Tully's as well? Anyways, these are all plot devices to get Dany and Jon to join forces. Hard to imagine Tyrion to keep his job after this disaster. Guessing the white walkers will breach the wall at the end of this season as the good old cliffhanger.
Tyrions plan was so dumb glad it backfired. cersei went from being the crazy queen who isolated herself to suddenly having too many allies to count. And tyrion decided to send forces to the other side of the continent to conquer a fortress that was irrelevant to taking the crown all while they sit a short distance from kings landing. If danny isn't questioning whether he should be fired then she has no business being queen.
Well they've had to have lost a lot of me through the course of all of this and Lannister armies are all that's really left to defend kings landing since there are no Baratheon banner men left and the city watch was basically wiped out by stannis. It why conquering casterly rock didn't make sense. What's to gain?
I am aware of the compression of time on screen, but there is a genuine problem with the Houdini adventures of Euron. Just look at the map of Westeros. Euron's fleet sailed from King's Landing in stealth mode and attacked Yara's fleet in Blackwater Bay. Then, took Yara and the Sands as prisoners back to King's Landing for his "finger in the bum" moment. Finally, sailed back out of Blackwater Bay and around the continent to Casterly Rock just in time to catch up to Grey Worm and the Unsullied fleet which had sailed from Dragonstone simultaneously as Yara's fleet. So yeah, people are right to point out this whole nonsense of Euron's magical fleet conveniently being wherever the plot needs it to be.
Tyrions plan to attack Casterly Rock and destroy the bulk of the Lannister army was not a bad idea ... since nobody but Tyrion knew about the gigantic hole in the side of the cliff. Maybe Daenarys would have noticed Eurons ships if she didn't spend all of her time reciting her title and convincing Jon to bend the knee. Side note, Missandra would have made a much much better Daenarys. Now we know why GRRM has not completed his last two books. I think he's confused as the rest of us on whats going on. Back in Oldtown, locked behind iron bars and lost among thousands of books, Jon Snow some how finds the source of the secret stash of Dragon Glass...that just so happens to be where he has to meet Daenarys. But in the mean time, where is Euron's Super Fleet? Nobody knows.
The show has really gone downhill. Too many storylines they're trying to wrap up, yada, yada as been already discussed. And no main characters die anymore. I mean obviously I'm still watching and it's still done very well. It's just unfortunate that's it's become less of a story I think...
Varys is worthless. Team Dany should've chosen Euron and led him on as Cersei is doing. His navy is so OP, I bet his ships have wheels to sneak attack on land, too. As Jon Snow defends Castle Black from the White Walkers, Euron sails his navy to the wall and saves the day.
Looking forward, Tyrion losing his job and Jaime finding out the truth about Joffrey's death should create an opportunity to unite the Lannister brothers. Perhaps, after Dany burns the gold wagons, Tyrion rebels to save his brother from the field of fire 2.0.
Good on the writers leveling the field though honestly Euron wouldn't have enough men for a 1,000 ships, foresight to know where to always be or speed to always get there as discussed. Dany will have to get off her bow to me Jon Snow attitude and go with him North since all but her Dothraki are gone. Then we will see Bran's power enter the fray as he can see and hear exactly what Cersei and Euron are up to. Anyone else catch the "I'm not a Stark" line? Wait till Bran explains to Jon and Dany who Jon actually is. Whe the heck is in charge in Dorne now and will they join the fight at all?
