Trump Voters: time to admit that you've been duped

Always can count on a past Trump tweet to come back and haunt him...

 

With the increasing abuse of the executive order, a president can be pretty effective. Another one of those minor details that only get addressed when the opposing party abuses it.

 

Incorrect. SweetLou has consistently been insulting and attacking people. Not that I am bothered by his immature acts, I dont want to see this board turned into something that resemble reddit with the constant petty insults. He thinks its ok. You think its ok. Its not ok.

 

What are you rambling on about? Do you only read the parts that conflict with what you believe in and fill in the rest with a false narrative?

I have clearly said the Republicans have been in disarray. I have stated in this thread they are fractured into their own factions. They are completely ineffective in governing at this point and have been for awhile. It honestly amazes me they are still winning elections and control Congress and the Presidency. The Democrats have been much more effective in sticking together. Its just laughable Democrats struggle to win anything these days.

Yes, I grew up supporting the Conservative party. And yes, over the years I have continued to distance myself. And yes, over the last decade, they have grown increasingly worse. So somehow I am 'moving the goal post' for not being a blind party loyalist like you? Im not sure what moving the goal post has to do with this, but maybe in your reply, you can fit your other two catchphrases in, 'strawman, and 'snowflake'.

 

Speaking of Reddit, I had never used it, but I recently found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/

There are strict rules about keeping the tone respectful and properly sourcing all claims. We could learn a lot from how they do things there.

 

So sad you take the easy way out. No, again, I am not angry. I am tired.

17 years in marketing has taught me that rational arguments do not work on people - especially people like you. This is why ads do not try to make rational arguments - the good ones at least. I have made rational arguments with you, and they have no effect. Because you are emotionally attached to what you believe.

If you don't like being called out for your bias, for your irrational bias and gross ignorance - which I equate to being stupid. Then stop replying. Put me on ignore if you can't take it. Put me on ignore if you have no defense. Fine. I expect you to run away rather than confront your inner demons.

 

Sam, one of the rare times I agree with you. I will say this, having tried to argue for the other side, I found a lot of liberals are also unable to admit points and overcome their bias. That said, it is far far far worse with the right. They are far more threatened by the idea of being wrong.

Rational arguments are pointless here.

 

I don't know, guys. Admittedly, I am too sappy. My father always said that my attempts to see the best in people would cost me in my life, and he's nearly always been right with his grim pearls like that one.

But, let me say, as an 8-yr supporter, in the main, of Obama, I sympathize with the Trump crowd here in one way and one way only. Some of them, Spaceghost perhaps included, would like to feel free to admit and criticize some of the horrors of Trump, but when the perceived "other side" is in full lather, nonstop, with many posts per hour, about two scoops, it's difficult for a person of some Trump sympathy (even a shred) to feel any room to chime in. And yes, it feels like a loss to a lot of people. I'm not saying, "it's the same," but I remember criticizing Obama less than I might have otherwise because I felt like an avalanche of lunacy about his birth certificate, jade helm, closet muslim, etc etc needed some push back toward sanity.

I just want to say to @Space Ghost and whoever else wants to read it, that the following column from the Chicago Tribune really encapsulates a lot of my feelings about Two Scoops and why I think it's important to keep up the drumbeat of "not normal," "unacceptable," and "perhaps downright ill," if it can make even a tiny dent in people becoming immune to horrible behavior from a leader.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ons-ohio-boy-scout-huppke-20170726-story.html

"[starts w weird Ohio speech about animal-like criminals/illegals "slicing and dicing" "beautiful girls"]
...I write about this president often, and I'd like to write about him less, but I won't.

Because he never stops behaving in a way that degrades our humanity. He never finds a bottom. And that's not OK.

[analysis of the dystopian Ohio speech about an America overrun by violent criminals, which does not, in statistical fact, exist for 99% of us]

And it's weird to hear a president using that kind of language. It's not normal.

Just as it wasn't normal for Trump to turn the Boy Scout Jamboree into a political rally and festival of self-adulation Monday night.
... [story of weird yacht tales the POTUS mentioned to Scouts]
... Again, if you're an adult sitting in a bar, you walk away from the 71-year-old who starts regaling you with tales of yacht sex. But these were kids, and again, that's really weird.

[story of humiliating Jeff Sessions this week, totally unnecessary, cruel, even sadistic]

You'll note that none of this has anything to do with policy. Many Trump defenders seem to think people like me are bothered by the president because he is (allegedly) a Republican.

I don't care what party he represents. If we were six months into a Bush or Rubio administration, I'd have plenty of disagreements on policy, but I wouldn't be dropping other columns to highlight routine affronts to the basic decency of the office of the presidency.
...
What Trump said in Ohio on Tuesday night was not normal. What he said to the Boy Scouts was not normal. What he's doing to his attorney general is not normal.
So I dropped that other column and wrote this one. And I'll do that again, and again, and again as often as necessary, and I don't care if I sound like a broken record.
Because no American should accept any of this sadistic nonsense as normal."
- - - - - - -
Sorry for the long string of excerpts (or a "thesis" to use new-hacked-pgabs notation), but the bottom line for me is this. If I was just playing politics, I should celebrate Two Scoops' possible destruction of the GOP and its reputation, such as it is. It might be "good" for Democrats to have this ogre to run against in every seat in the land. But it's ultimately very bad for our discourse and the health of our country and the standing of our country as an example to others. It gives a terrible example to young people here and everywhere else.

@Cohete Rojo was right though, that a lot of the posting (I'll say my posting anyway, and I think @SamFisher would agree) is "quixotic." I'm going to take a long break from it, but I am wishing all of you my fellow citizens well. (And still praying we don't get Melo, LOL.) Peace.

 

I am there with you @B-Bob.

I never thought that I would see folks like @cml and @spaceghost sit quietly by while Trump does what he does, all the while defending his actions and their vote with, "Hillary/Obama/a democrat would be worse"

If Trump won the presidency as a democrat and tried to put an extreme left wing agenda in place and subvert our republic as well as debase our honor of a country, I would be the first to want him gone. Not so the case with our right-wingers. They put party over country and party over rationality.

It's pointless to post here.

 

I've been saying for a while here that trump voters were duped, and that I knew a Republican who voted for him, the CEO of a national company based in San Antonio (related to my partner). He used the term to describe how he felt several weeks ago when we were at his place in SA. He said, "I feel duped. The guy is certifiably crazy!" He said much more, but that was the gist of how he feels a few months after having voted for trump. Duped.

There are some Republicans out there who voted for trump that are rediscovering their sanity, folks. He isn't the only one, not by a long shot. I've been thinking of starting a thread about it, a thread for trump voters who regretted voting for him. This thread suits that purpose very well.

How about it, trump voters - are any of you willing to own up to having made a mistake on November 6, 2016?
What say you?

 

Excuse my poor language, B-Bob, but hell yeah! You have hit a bullseye with this post. Dead center.

 

BUT I DIDN"T VOTE FOR HIM!!!!

I predicted this. All of the "I didn't vote for him but..." people

Who cares if you voted for him. Honestly if you DIDN'T vote for him and now defend him you are worse. You didn't have the courage to put your stamp on his win but you will defend him and rationalize his terrible behavior and destructive presidency. At least people who voted for him have the "I'd criticize him but I'd have to admit to being wrong" justification. If you didn't vote for him and still defend him you are just outright endorsing his behavior.

 

This is my issue with your rhetoric:

I'm sure you are tired of pc culture. Part of pc culture is politicians and political discussion that places zero blame on the electorate. Hillary didn't 'earn' Trumptard votes, it must be her fault. It's not the fault of them being suckered into narrow propganda 'news sites' and forming a paradigm that has no semblance in reality. I mean you can see this with people in bum**** Kansas worried about Sharia law infiltration. This is the mindset of Trump voters and you expect me to blame Hillary and not those idiots who can't properly source and vet their information and depend on their Facebook news feed for nuance?

 

Why are some posters so indignant about other posters not agreeing they are dupes


Good Lord

 

In a partisan presidency, this is probably a better situation for democrats where the politics are substanceless and volatile.

Makes the angry yet lazy nihilists out there who thinks "it doesn't matter who I vote for" see the consequences of their inaction.

It does assume people will learn from their mistakes.

It's the same self-described "independents" who jumped ship after the Bush disaster despite keeping him in for a second term.

It's pretty damn weasely and cowardly not to own up to your own party while cheerleading for them.

At least be upfront about not loving Republicans but loathing Democrats even more. Much easier to spot the blind pettiness a mile away than smelling the stink upfront.

 

Certainly there are voters who were duped by Trump, but they are not the ones defending him on this bbs. The ones on here are happy with their decisions and will vote for the Donald in 2020, nothing wrong with that, we all have our own minds.

 

Can pigs fly? Will leopards change their spots?

 

Convincing a dope that they were duped is one of the most difficult tasks in life.

 

At least you are owning your idiocy. Kudos.