Trump: Transgenders no longer welcome in the military

LOL, you completely missed the point of what I was saying. It's not causing a headache in the sense that soldiers don't want to serve with trannies, it's causing a headache in that now the military has to cater to the trannies. When you allow for the mentally ill to serve, you then take on their baggage. In this case, some of that baggage would be...

What PT standards do you hold a man who wishes he was a woman to? Do you play into his delusion that he is or can become a female? Do you pay for their "transition"? How much time will they be down for that kind of thing? Which barracks do you house this person? Which facilities does this person use? What uniform does this person wear?

All of these nonsense questions can be eliminated by simply saying "no thanks" to the few trannies who would want to serve and focus on those who would adapt to the military and not expect the military to adapt to them. The solution is obvious to all but activists for transsexuals.

Also, you say "around " the military, what do you mean by that? Are you a military brat? Do you work on a base? Do you live near a base?

 

Agreed. We shouldn't have to pay for their transition, not a fair burden.

I also do not want to pay for limp d*cks. Not fair & it costs me more...unless the viagra angles are false.

 

Lol no YOU don't understand MY point. The military caters to nobody but superior civilian leaders. Whatever their guidance we have two options. Fall in line or get the hell out.

As far as uniforms, that is not a big issue. We have stores on base that sell our uniforms. The guidance for issued uniforms comes from higher and is executed by those who work at CIF. There aren't grey areas in the military. Guidance for dealing with transgender soldiers is already filtering down the chain. This was happening before the POTUS tweets. The guidance will be executed without question because that is what we do.

As I said earlier, I am the son of a veteran and a retiree born and raised on military bases. I am also a veteran who is currently pursuing a commission in the Army. I don't have to talk to people to know this. I've been around this my entire life. I know how military authority works. And it ain't a damn democracy lol

 

I'm sure the Viagra comments are legit, they love handing out pills.

As to that, I think they should cover the expense of treatments that active duty military members end up needing and ship out those with conditions that prevent those from staying on active duty. IMO transsexualism is one of those conditions.

The example here is soldiers with serious PTSD issues, the military pays for their treatment while in the service, but after the diagnosis, they move to chapter you out and pass that along to the VA. I would think something similar should happen with those who have such serious transsexualism that "transition" surgery or treatment would be required. They are still vets, so I would want the VA to take care of them, I just don't think they should stay in the military with those problems.

The main issue with doing that though is you'd have a hard time convincing people that your transsexualism was service related so I'm not sure how that would work.

 

That's not really true. The military caters to the needs of certain members. They have different rules for females and ensure that they have separate facilities from male military members. In this instance, you'd be adding another group they'd have to cater to.

Now the "fall in line or get the hell out" idea would effectively be a transsexual ban in that those most severely afflicted with transsexualism would struggle to fall in line due to their mental condition and it would absolutely prevent any from "transitioning" which is often suggested as treatment for their condition.

The other option is to cater to transsexuals and all the baggage that comes with them. The things you dismiss as "not a big issue" are big changes to the rules in order to cater to a tiny number of military members and is attention that can be better used elsewhere and on things that matter.

I also don't really have to talk to people to know these things in that I am a vet myself.

 

Then you should know how the military operates. I've never seen this organization cater to any individual group of soldiers.

Now if guidance comes down from higher then we meet that intent. That's not catering. That's called following orders.

 

Yes, you really have, even if you don't recognize it when you see it. If the military has never catered to any individual group of soldiers, there would be one standard uniform, mixed sex barracks, and only one PT standard. That's just the easiest examples.

 

Lol no I haven't. Everything you have used in that example is the result of congressional mandates. We are subordinate to all elected congressional figures. "Cater" implies the ability to do otherwise. The military has no such authority. Congress tells us to jump and we say "How high?"

 

My reaction to push back is a direct reaction to Trump. Hard for me to believe any of his positions are a result of reflection as opposed to simple reactionary tantrums.

I'd shrug away the move w/little afterthought (sorry LBGTQ community) if i believed his position was thought out.

 

And you are fooling yourself if you don't think more of those are coming when LBGT groups run out of things to whine about.

Also, "cater" doesn't imply the ability to do otherwise, the definition is simple "to provide what is required or desired"

When you bring in a class that will require and desire changes to be made specifically for them then that's what you'll get.

Since you've been around the military your whole life, how many trannies have you known that were on active duty? I'd guess the number is incredibly low because my number is incredibly low. That then begs the question, why go through the same kinds of problems that the military had when they adapted to allow women to serve for an incredibly tiny number of people?

It simply doesn't make sense.

I think most who push back against the move are doing so primarily as a reaction to who made the move rather than any other reasoning. It's an excuse to be "outraged" at something Trump did....as if he doesn't provide enough legitimate reasons for that on a daily basis anyway.

 

Freakin depressing. If only this pointed out to Us the value of politic. It's a necessary art.

 

If "readiness" was actually a factor then you'd be going hard after obesity.

 

Well I can only hope that Trump is the bottom of the barrel....I previously hoped that Obama would be that bottom of the barrel type president and then Trump happened. Honestly I don't know how things could get worse, but I won't rule it out because I just have no faith in the public as a whole.

 

"So you're telling me" he's not the worst!
#Lloyd.Christmas.

 

LOL, not anymore he's not.

In fairness he wasn't THE worst even before Trump.

 

So I use the word "tranny" exactly once. I get reported by @Deckard on his social high horse.

@Bobbythegreat comes in here and flings the word around like a conjunction and nobody bats an eye.

To be clear it doesn't bother me at all, and I'm not bashing him for using it. But... double standard much?

I think I see how this works.

 

Deckard is a replicant and a rapist. I wouldn't worry about what fictional characters think.

To give you a real answer, all of the most delicate snowflakes in the D&D have me on ignore so that's likely why they aren't crying their eyes out about a perceived slight to transsexuals.

 

Well that explains a bit. Appreciate it.

Umm, care to explain the whole "rapist" accusation? Or is that just a balls to the wall example of "monkeys slinging mud?"

 

Just watch Blade Runner, Deckard absolutely rapes Rachel.....There's just no other way of seeing it. She tries to run away after he tries to kiss her, he chases her down and slams the door to prevent her escape then throws her against the wall and forces her to ask him to do things to her.....Keep in mind that his job is to hunt down and kill her kind, a fact she knew, he's basically a Jew hunting Nazi who also dabbles in rape. Deckard is just the worst.

Rape is still rape even if they are a replicant.