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Donald Trump encourages police brutality

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by fchowd0311, Jul 28, 2017.

  1. conquistador#11

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    the most interesting part of that "speech" is him describing the killing fields of blood like a scene from the early seasons of DExter.
    It went it exactly as I beautifully predicted.

    and of course the advisory that follows a trump appearance



    I want mooch doing these 'speeches'!!
     
  2. dobro1229

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    Just two days ago he gave a speech that got overlooked for whatever reason where he talked in detail about murders who slice up women and children, and described the act with his hands carving the air to depict. The crowd behind him just stood there nodding their heads like some sort of sick cult out of a movie.

    I think it's beyond narcisim at this point, and it's becoming quite obvious that Trump is a psychopath. Notice every time he mentions a woman in a negative light somehow blood always gets brought into the equation.

    I continue to have to keep reminding myself that it's still only month 6 with Trump. What the hell will he do when he gets real power after he inevitably fires Mueller and Paul Ryan cowers to the point where we see him actually be able to get away with anything at any time brazenly. Folks we are being conditioned as we speak to be desensatized to whatever is coming in the future which will continue to be worse and worse.
     
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  3. prohibido

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    So Trump has been rebuked by the police, by the military, by his own party, and by the Boy Scouts. And that was just today! Am I missing anyone? Of course there is an hour left CDT so who knows who else might get in on this.

    #TiredofWinning
     
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    . . and according to the FBI . . a bunch of White Supremists

    Rocket River
     
  6. NewRoxFan

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    Remember Bannon and Trump want to destroy American institutions, congress, fair elections, the military, police, Boy Scouts, the courts,. Expect something soon to do with religion.
     
  7. Amiga

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    Perhaps. But let said that is true and today, Trump open a book, read and understand the concept, do you think he would change? No. He is so far from basic decency that he isn't compatible with many basic concept of our bill of rights or human rights.
     
  8. Amiga

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    Playing that fear within him. And using it to spread anti-immigration.

    Here was an NPR interview with the Houston police chief a few days ago related to that speech and it's topic. The two points that stand out: Crackdown on illegal immigration (not violent, but all) has a chilling effect on reported crime. Deporting violent illegals isn't as effective as jailing them for a long time.

    Houston MS-13 Gang Crimes Disproportionately Brutal, Police Chief Says

    ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

    We're going to be hearing a lot this week about the gang Frank Fuentes was alleged to have been involved with - Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13. It was started by Central American immigrants in California prisons, and it has spread across the country and into Mexico and across Central America. President Trump is expected to go to Long Island this week, where the gang has been implicated in many violent crimes. Trump has made deporting MS-13 members a priority.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

    PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: MS-13 is going to be gone from our streets very soon - believe me.

    SIEGEL: That was back in May. So six months into the Trump administration, how has immigration enforcement affected MS-13? We're going to ask the police chief of the fourth-largest city in the country - Houston. Chief Art Acevedo, welcome to the program.

    ART ACEVEDO: Hey, thank you. It's great to be on.

    SIEGEL: And how much of the violent crime in your city, in Houston, is committed by gang members? And how much by members of MS-13 in particular?

    ACEVEDO: Well, I think if you take a look at our violent crime, the vast majority of it is being committed by documented gang members. You know, we have about 20,000 documented gang members here in this city, and quite frankly, they're vicious. But MS-13 I would consider the worst of the worst. I consider them a transnational terrorist organization because of the nature and the viciousness of their activities.

    SIEGEL: And when you speak of members of MS-13, do you assume that they're in the country illegally?

    ACEVEDO: I would say that a good number of them are here as undocumented immigrants. Initially they were from El Salvador, but now they've spread their cancer throughout Central and South America and throughout the United States. They started in Los Angeles back when I was a young police officer with the California Highway Patrol. And a lot of them are. But some of them now are, you know, second-generation American-born citizens. And so we just have to go after them regardless of their documentation and go after them hard because they are vicious.

    SIEGEL: By the way, when you speak of their viciousness and their - that when you speak of them as a cancer, what kind of offenses are you talking about? What leads you to say that?

    ACEVEDO: Well, they are brutal. They're ruthless. They will kill without blinking an eye. We had a young lady that was brutally raped and murdered. And just the lack of empathy, the lack of respect, the lack of human decency with these guys that makes them - they celebrate homicide. They celebrate brutality. And they wear it as a badge of honor. And that's something that makes them extremely dangerous.

    SIEGEL: Has there been any notable difference in deportations of MS-13 members, say, this year than in the first half of last year?

    ACEVEDO: Not yet, but we do work closely with our HSI, Homeland Security Investigations, which is part of ICE. And what we've done here in Houston because of the violence being perpetrated by MS-13 and other gang members is that we've upped the ante. We've upped our resources. And quite frankly, we've - our federal partners, at our request, not just in Houston but around the country, have added additional resources, including the FBI and Homeland Security, to really focus nationwide on going the worst on the worst. And the worst of the worst really truly is MS-13.

    SIEGEL: Has the talk of a crackdown in any way affected the willingness of people in Houston, let's say particularly in Latino communities, to report crimes or come forward as witnesses to crimes because of the fear that somebody might be deported?

    ACEVEDO: For us and for other cities, we're seeing that it is having a chilling effect. You know, when we compared the first three months of 2017 versus the first three months of 2016 - and I'm almost done with the analysis for the second quarter of this year and the first of last year - we saw a almost 43-percent reduction in the reporting of sexual assaults by the Hispanic community, and we saw a reduction of the reporting of all violent crime by the Hispanic community.

    Yet when we compared that to the rest of our communities and the other communities residing within the most diverse city in the country, which is Houston, Texas, we've seen an increase. And when you see that chilling effect, when the victims and witnesses of crime are hesitant to come forward because of the ugliness of this political debate, that is an absolute loss for all of us. And we should all be concerned.

    SIEGEL: I mean, you're describing a perverse effect because you're getting numbers that could be construed as a reduction in crime or a reduction of crimes being reported. That's not what it is, is what you're saying.

    ACEVEDO: No. The truth of the matter is when you talk to cops, they're telling me story after story of crimes being committed, of being able to identify the victim, but then having victims not want to cooperate, not want to come forward, and having to work two, three, 10 times as hard to get other community members to try to convince people to cooperate.

    SIEGEL: We just heard a story about a Guatemalan young man who was deported after a criminal conviction. He had lived and grown up nearly his whole life in northern Virginia. He was found dead in that trailer in San Antonio, having re-entered the country. When gang members in your city, in Houston, are deported, do they typically come back across the border?

    ACEVEDO: You know, my dad used to say that bad bugs don't die. They multiply. And I think in terms of MS-13, hopefully we put them in prison here for a long time when we catch them for these crimes because if we deport them, quite frequently, they'll end up right back in our streets.

    SIEGEL: Art Acevedo, chief of the Houston Police Department. Thanks for talking with us today.

    ACEVEDO: Thank you. Have a great night.
     
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  9. Amiga

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    What is your position on Trump's police brutality?
     
  10. B-Bob

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    What do you not understand?

    1. Trump makes strange and ill-considered remarks to police.
    2. Look at Chicago murder rate!!
    3. Star Wars themed pajamas.
    4. The end, case closed, synthesis.
     
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  11. Cohete Rojo

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    "The hand, what's with the hand"?
     
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  12. Cohete Rojo

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    1. Laquan McDonald gets gunned down (in Chicago).
    2. Video of Laquan McDonald shooting is released.
    3. Violence and homicide rate in Chicago shoot through the roof.
    4. Never-Trumpers continue their quixotic crusade against Trump.
     
  13. Amiga

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    are you always afraid of stating a position?
     
  14. Cohete Rojo

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    Do you ever read the article or watch the video which you are basing your opinions on?

    "You can take your hand off".
     
  15. NewRoxFan

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    While it is important to note that Trump caused shame on the nation's police forces and drew quick rejection the country's police chiefs, it is also amazing how Trump continues to outright lie at these addresses:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...hecking-donald-trumps-ny-speech-law-enforcem/
     
  16. B-Bob

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    Horrifying and there is a thread for Chicago violence; you know it well. You are extremely interested in Chicago, perhaps beyond all the Fox News baiting, to your credit.

    Uh, not really, but if that's your feeling on his latest embarrassment (at best) or enticement to bad or illegal or harmful behavior (at worst), then why on Earth would you visit this thread? (rhetorical). Perhaps you just want to redirect traffic to the Chicago thread.

    Anyway, ON TOPIC, I'm impressed, and even surprised, at the statements form the nation's law enforcement refuting Two Scoops. Hope springs eternal, and encouraging the better instincts among us, instead of accepting the worst, better not be "quixotic" for anyone who loves their country.

    Cheers.
     
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  17. dmoneybangbang

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    What...... paying someone 40k to be a police officer doesn't attract the quality people.......?

    Of course it's part of the problem,
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    just admit it - you and others like you love Trump because he is protecting America from losing its whiteness.

    p.s you are a mental midget.
     
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  19. Amiga

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    Yes.

    So, are you still afraid to take a simple position? Very Trump like TBH.
     
  20. Cohete Rojo

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    Give them the hand, what do I care?
     

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