Trump: Transgenders no longer welcome in the military

OK, so you're saying they should look at this on a case-by-case basis- meaning that you are then against this ban? Excellent- critical thinking should be applied in this case, I agree with you.

 

This isn't what I asked though.

You said that they weren't going to hunt them down and kick them out, but what if that's exactly what they do? What is to be done with the ones already serving?

Also, not all trans people go through the surgery. A pretty big misconception, many do not.

 

For sure a case by case basis is best with anything. I think if the person is well enough to where they don't feel that they need to mutilate their genitals or get other surgeries to make them appear to be of the opposite sex, then they are well enough to serve. If their condition worsens and they feel the need to "transition" then they should be let go in order for them to do that back in the civilian world. Military members who have already done so should be phased out.

I think that while in the military, people should keep it together, if they want to go nuts (or cut them off) when they get back on the block, more power to them. They earned it.

 

As you know conservatives dominate in charity and caring and myself in particular am especially concerned about mental health unlike most on this forum. The word fascists will call you names if you say mental health in this thread tho so watch yourself.

 

So, you do charity work for the mentally ill? Good for you.

 

What would make you think that they'd do that? History suggests that they wouldn't.

Also, those who are trans that don't have surgery and don't choose to otherwise make their gender identity a distraction wouldn't even be noticed and no one would care about what gets them off. It's not like people would be tested or anything.

 

thanks

 

Kudos.

The mental health aspect of this particular issue is a total red herring.

 

But the first thing you said was: Honestly I support this measure.

But you really don't.

 

Has it been confirmed that none of these folks were involved?

 

When asked what they would do about the trans people already serving they didn't have a response, seems to be up in the air to me.

How do we know they won't be tested? It seems those that are trans and in the military are worried about being kicked out of the military.

 

I agree with the way I believe that it would be implemented, which is likely different from political rhetoric. I do not believe that transsexuals who have "transitioned" should be allowed in the military or be allowed to remain in the military. I do not believe that transsexuals who struggle with their chosen gender not matching their sex to the point where they'd be triggered by being referred to as their sex have any place in the military.

I'm pretty sure a ban on transsexuals would only affect those people.

 

I would think they'd phase them out, but I would think it would be a case to case basis.

As to "being tested", what kind of test are you even suggesting? Just a questionnaire? They already know the sex of every member of the military, because biology, what kind of test are you suggesting they might do?

It would certainly effect those who "transitioned" and I'm fine with that, but it wouldn't be some kind of tranny hunt where they are kicking down doors or whatever.

 

In fact, when it comes to how they'd deal with it, I had a friend who I guess you'd call trans that was in at the same time I was.....back when "don't ask don't tell" was a thing and her being a lesbian allegedly could have been an issue. Now she wasn't active duty, she was National Guard, but it's still sort of the same thing. When she served, she was just another soldier like any other, when she was back home with her girlfriend she'd tape down her t*** wear mens clothes and have people call her a man's name.

People knew, no one cared. The reason no one cares is because she kept that stuff at home and never allowed it to be a distraction.

 

Serving in the military is not a right. Learn what rights are and what they are not. It'll help you out greatly in this forum going forward.

 

By tested I mean asked.

Obviously, they know that a certain amount of them are trans, otherwise, we don't have the stats we have.

As for this other part, it isn't really about transitioning or not. Transgender people are only trans because they do not identify with the sex they were born into. They don't have to mutilate their genitals as you call it to be trans.

The whole distraction thing is whatever, that's subjective. Trans people are not distracting me, I'd look at one a bit longer than a normal person sure...but so what?

Pretty women are distracting to some men. Different people find different things distracting.

 

The issue is that it doesn't matter what they "identified" as when they were a civilian, if you are in the Army, you identify as a soldier and you are identified by your sex, not your chosen gender. If you can't accept those things, you have no place in the military. If a person is trans, and they can put that nonsense aside while they are in, then there's no problem. If they can't....well that's when it becomes a distraction and that's when it's a problem. No one cares if a male soldier identifies as female, he's a male soldier and has to meet the standards of male soldiers. If that's not acceptable, he shouldn't waste his time and the time of the Army.

I would think that would only be a problem for those most severely affected by transsexualism, the rest should be okay.

When I say something being "a distraction" I mean cause for debate that takes away from combat readiness. The debates over housing, incarceration, surgeries, PT standards, facilities, and whatnot are simply not worth having to deal with. It's much better to just disqualify those who would fail to adapt to the military due to expecting the military to adapt to them.