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[Tired of Winning] Comrade Sessions Doubles Down on Asset Forfeiture

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CometsWin, Jul 20, 2017.

  1. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    This is appalling. It's just theft, brazen robbery. This administration is such a disaster on a daily basis that issues like this get short shrift.


    Sessions greenlights police to seize cash, property from people suspected of crimes but not charged

    The Justice Department announced a new federal policy Wednesday to help state and local police take cash and property from people suspected of a crime, even without a criminal charge, reversing an Obama administration rule prompted by past abuse by police.

    Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein said the Justice Department will include more safeguards to prevent the kind of problems that have been documented in the past. Police departments will be required to provide details to the Justice Department about probable cause for seizures, and federal officials will have to more quickly inform property owners about their rights and the status of the seizures.

    “The goal here is to empower our police and prosecutors with this important tool that can be used to combat crime, particularly drug abuse,” Rosenstein said at a news briefing. “This is going to enable us to work with local police and our prosecutors to make sure that when assets are lawfully seized that they’re not returned to criminals when there’s a valid basis for them to be forfeited.”

    Two years ago, then-Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. barred state and local police from using federal law to seize cash and other property without criminal charges or warrants. Since 2008, thousands of police agencies had made more than 55,000 seizures of cash and property worth $3 billion under a Justice Department civil asset forfeiture program, which allowed local and state police to make seizures and then share the proceeds with federal agencies.

    A Washington Post investigation in 2014 found that state and local police had seized almost $2.5 billion from motorists and others without search warrants or indictments since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The Post series revealed that police routinely stopped drivers for minor traffic infractions, pressed them to agree to searches without warrants and seized large amounts of cash when there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

    Police then spent the proceeds from the seizure with little oversight, according to the Post investigation. In some cases, the police bought luxury cars, high-powered weapons and armored cars.

    “You’re never going to eliminate allegations of abuses,” Rosenstein said, “never going to eliminate mistakes 100 percent. But I think this new policy is going to position us very well to make sure there are very few credible allegations of abuse, and where there are we’re going to make it a priority to follow up.”

    The new policy from Attorney General Jeff Sessions authorizes federal “adoption” of assets seized by state and local police when the conduct that led to the seizures violates federal law. Rosenstein said that the department is adding safeguards to ensure that police have sufficient evidence of criminal activity when property is seized. Property owners will receive notice of their rights within 45 days, which is twice as quickly as required by current law. Law enforcement agencies will be required to provide officers with more training on asset forfeiture laws, he said.

    State and local law enforcement officials supported the change, but Democratic and Republican lawmakers were skeptical.

    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) called Sessions’s policy “troubling” and said it would “expand a loophole that’s become a central point of contention nationwide.”

    “Criminals shouldn’t be able to keep the proceeds of their crime, but innocent Americans shouldn’t lose their right to due process, or their private property rights, in order to make that happen,” Issa said in a statement.

    Holder tweeted that Sessions’s policy was “another extremist action” and said the Obama administration policy was “a reform that was supported by conservatives and progressives, Republicans and Democrats.”

    Kanya Bennett, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, called the action “outrageous.”

    “We are talking about people who have not been convicted of a crime and are often not given a day in court to reclaim their possessions,” Bennett said. “Civil asset forfeiture is tantamount to policing for profit, generating millions of dollars annually that the agencies get to keep.”

    At a meeting with county sheriffs on Feb. 7, President Trump made clear to law enforcement officials that he is a strong supporter of the civil asset forfeiture program and told the Justice Department to rescind the Obama administration restrictions.

    On Wednesday, Sessions defended the reversal at a meeting with representatives from the Fraternal Order of Police, the National Sheriffs’ Association, the Major Cities Chiefs Association and other law enforcement officials who back the new policy.

    “Civil asset forfeiture is a key tool that helps law enforcement defund organized crime, take back ill-gotten gains and prevent new crimes from being committed, and it weakens the criminals and the cartels,” Sessions said.

    Earlier this week, Sessions told the National District Attorneys Association that “no criminal should be allowed to keep the proceeds of their crime.”

    But the ACLU’s Bennett said, “The problem is that we are not talking about criminals.”

    “We are talking about Americans who have had their homes, cars, money and other property taken through civil forfeiture, which requires only mere suspicion that the property is connected to a crime,” she said.
     
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  2. B-Bob

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    Where are our libertarian bros when we need them? We should all be calling our reps and senators about this. It's a bunch of crap.
     
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  3. JuanValdez

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    Can't imagine there's another first world nation that would allow this. We have to be the only ones, right?
     
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    You guys are slow. This is how we make murica great again!!
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    Its seems our government likes their extreme and/or incompetent AG's.
     
  7. Bandwagoner

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    drugs are bad and giving our law enforcement the power to fight them is needed. no one seems to realize this even when a person they like hangs themselves from having toasted their brain with a lifetime of illegal drug use.

    too bad long term projects like an actual war on drugs is not within the abilities of our political system.
     
  8. heypartner

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    Scared or not, Jesse would definitely be knocking down doors to get his money back if not charged.

    [​IMG]

    Course, Saul would be saying, "wait for me. I'll be right there. Say it Jesse,,,you won't do anything,,,,, until I get there."
     
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    WTF does anything you said have to do with the subject? Are you ok with a cop only needed to suspect you of a crime and assume that your car, bank accounts, household furnishings, etc., etc., etc., are somehow tied to this crime you haven't been convicted of before they take it?

    This has nothing to do with the idiotic "war on drugs" or any person suffering from addiction.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Studies blah blah show blah blah that blah legization blah Portugal blah blah treatment blah better.

    I'm just not going to try anymore. You won't read and care for the study and dismiss it anyways.

    Also prescription drugs kill more than illegal drugs so let's start a viable war on pharmacists.
     
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    Seems like a reasonable thing to do.............

    in a falling venezuela.
     
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  12. Bandwagoner

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    there is a giant black market for prescription drugs so when I say illegal drugs I'm not only talking about heroin. Heroin deaths are higher than gun homicides at 13 thousand and fentanyl alone killed almost 10 thousand. Overall overdoses are over 52 thousand which blows auto fatalities out of the water which are also up. This isn't a small problem and they won't jack your camaro if they find a roach.

    all of this pro drug propaganda is killing people.

    agreed
     
  13. Major

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    What about all the non-drug-dealers that are having their assets seized?
     
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    Actually it does. . . the War on Drugs is the WEDGE they use to implement these type of things
    They not going after Ken Lays, Bernie Madoffs, etc money and property
    not so much as the 'drug' people

    Basic American criminal philosophy is . .. make everything illegal . .. so you always have a reason to hassle people.
    The smallest infraction gives them an 'IN' to rip your life apart if they wanted too

    You cousin comes over and smokes a joint
    Some odd reason the cops bust him . . .
    Now They can label your house a drug house
    Even if you get off knowing they cannot prove it .. . how much does your defense cost?
    How much time energy and frustration has been spent trying to save you home?
    If you living check to check it might be enough that it either forces you to move or
    you cannot mount a strong enough defense and you lose your house . . . . . .

    They just need a wedge . . . an IN . .. and they can get what they want

    Marry this with Eminent Domain and they can gentrify a neighbor in months.
    If a business wants some land or something. . . .grease the right palms and they can easily move a population

    Rocket River
     
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    War on Drugs is big business.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    I would say programs like DARE do more damage than the pro legalize weed movement.
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    of a three headed strategery (education, treatment, legal deterrence) saying one program in the education wing sucks isn't really a condemnation of the entire anti-drug strategery or exoneration of the pro-weed propaganda telling everyone weed cures cancer in a Petri dish. Education has to get better and that would be a bit easier without all of the under cutting from the propaganda the dopers are putting out there.
     
  18. peleincubus

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    What in the what?? What logical person out there believes weed cures cancer? It helps with symptoms of cancer. It also helps with seizers.

    Is what I am talking about doper propaganda?
     
  19. Kim

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    I remember this story from back in the day (stuff happened in the poker community too).
     
  20. Amiga

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    How is this not illegal?
     

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