3rd Attempt: GOP/Trump Repeal & Replace ACA and Trump lie about pre-exist coverage

LOL dear god you are thick.

Let's go over what happened step by step.

1. Person makes a statement about the ACA going away costing millions of people their lives.

2. I disagree with that statement.

3. You suggest a man who died WITH the ACA was an example of a life saved by the ACA.

4. I point out how stupid that is.

5. You get upset about that and autistic screeching commences as you make feeble attempts to change the conversation in order to appear less foolish.

You'd have been much better off just admitting that you made a mistake and that you should withdraw the example rather than doubling down like you are seemingly still doing.

Anyway, lash out all you like, but it won't make you look better.

 

Ah yes, tens of thousands of people are alive due to the ACA. For example, London's dead friend is alive due to the ACA, he said so himself.

 

How was the big lunch w Two Scoops?
I hope senate republicans got the zero Scoops he thinks they deserve.

But the plan is better now, right?

 

Cancer diagnosis in 2013. Told not much time left to live. Lives through healthcare provided by ACA through 2015 that extended his lifespan by at least 2 years. Dead in weeks vs dead in two years. I'd say yes it saved him an additional two years of life he wouldn't have otherwise had. That's a couple of extra Christmases, Thanksgivings, 4th of July's, birthdays, opportunities to sightsee and make memories with friends and family he wouldn't have had without ACA. Under your argument no healthcare works because we're all going to die.

 

SMH, again, for the millionth time, health insurance isn't the same thing as health care.

Even if your friend didn't have health insurance for whatever reason, they could still get health care. Has it been so long since the ACA went into effect that we've forgotten that obvious fact already?

Anyway, I'm glad your friend managed to make it a few extra years, cancer is a b****. That said, you absolutely can't list him as a life saved by the ACA. You have to realize that.

 

They never discuss it because it sucks and tens of millions will lose insurance. Further evidence that Trump is mentally ill.

 

I've gotta say, @London'sBurning despite the fact that there was a pretty big misunderstanding that led to things getting a bit hot for a while, I'm really glad that through continuing to talk the issue out we got past that. It's something that should happen more often in this forum.

 

CBO score for repeal-only bill.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/19/cbo-score-senate-obamacare-repeal-240730?lo=ap_a1

32 million more uninsured
75% of the population without access to an individual plan in a decade
Premiums would double

Free market for the win.

 

Im going to ask this, not being argumentative, but looking for an explanation.

If Obamacare is repealed, this means no more coverage for pre existing conditions.
Why would premiums double? And by 'premiums double', I am also assuming they would double for everyone and they would also double beyond the current inflationary rate.

 

Easy... more people off insurance using the ER for healthcare receiving 5 and 6 figure bills that they can't afford thus file for bankruptcy and thus the hospital eats up the costs and raises the prices for their services to counter thus insurance premiums increase.

It's the feedback loop from hell and it's precisely why Republicans in the 90s wanted a mandate.

With our current system the only two solutions I can really think of is either a mandate or allowing hospitals to deny treatment to people literally dying on the streets. Ya... As much political differences we share, I doubt you want the second option.

I would also like to add that one of the most positive effects of the ACA was record low bankruptcy filings due to unpaid medical bills and it's mentioned very little when someone tries to defend the ACA.

 

How does the current system deal with illegals? How does a single payer system deliver care? Do you think that anyone can just walk into a doctor's office and get free care?

 

Gee I wonder how much out of pocket expenses are for cancer treatment?

You cannot be this stupid. I refuse to believe it.

 

The current system would treat them just like anyone else that doesn't have insurance, they'd go to the hospital for treatment, they'd get that treatment and then a bill would be sent out possibly to them or to whoever's identity that they are stealing which almost certainly wouldn't be paid.

For sure there's no really good answer to these questions and I don't truly have a solution to the problem, I just don't support things that are not feasable given the specific issues faced in this country that other countries don't have to deal with. It's like wanting to grow citrus trees outdoors in northern Canada and pointing to the fact that they do it in Florida as justification for making the attempt.

I'm open to suggestions that would actually work, and I fully acknowledge the issues with the pre-Obamacare system that we are about to be back with once Obamacare collapses on its own or is repealed, but a full on single payer system for all would be just WAY too expensive to feasibly work in this country.

 

Because of a a few tenths of a percentage point difference in the ratio of illegal migrants/the total population relative to other countries with single payer?

Did you do the math or are you speaking out of your ass?

 

With the poster at hand is that ever a question? He always seems to know everything, about everything and is always right about 100% of it.

 

Those are excellent questions, and I'm not sure the answers. The doubling thing, in particular, is a big question. It's a 10 yr projection, so is that relative to now, or relative to what they otherwise expect it to be?

I would *think* the result of scrapping Obamacare entirely would be a huge decrease in coverage and, like you said, going back to the old situation where pre-existing condition people just couldn't get coverage. It does seem like it would lower premiums. On the flipside, under Obamacare, premiums had actually increased very slowly over the first several years, so it's possible all the different elements have helped to keep premiums down so you'd get a surge. I haven't seen the details of the report yet, and honestly, I have no real idea how they came to their conclusions.

EDIT: the other issue is whether it's a true repeal. Since it would be done through reconciliation and has lots of rules, it might be that the repeal bill repeals a lot of financial elements, but has to leave certain random regulations in place?

 

... which means that those freeriders are already costing the system a lot of money since taxpayers and insurance premiums are subsidizing the unpaid care. Putting them in the insurance system won't change the total cost of healthcare - it just changes the source of funds. It's why the individual mandate was originally a conservative idea - the idea was to eliminate the freeriders who are being subsidized by the rest of the system. Universal healthcare is not negatively affected by having lots of freeriders in the current system - it's actually a more efficient means of healthcare delivery in that case.

 

Didn't ACA limited the amount of profit health insurance companies can generate?

 

I mentioned in an earlier post it most likely will have to do with the predicted increase in out of pocket coverage where most people can't afford it which leads to hospitals eating the cost and compensating by increasing prices for their services and treatment which will obviously lead to increased premiums in general.