Knicks, Rockets working on Carmelo Anthony trade scenarios

I really don't think the Rockets are going to trade the 6th man of the year for a declining Melo. Gordon is 5 years younger and in his prime. It's debatable whether Melo is better at this point. Gordon's contract is a value. And the Knicks are just in a very weak bargaining position, largely due to mistakes of the past.

Also if you look at our team, we really need Gordon. We traded away Lou and Bev; so we are actually really thin back there without Gordon. Gordon also provides some continuity from last year. He allows Harden to play the PG if Paul goes down or when he rests.

There are just too many reasons not to trade Eric Gordon if you are trying to win a championship. He's one of the best 3 pt shooters in the league and he's pretty well rounded; a willing defender. Even Chris Paul mentioned him at the press conference when he talked about reasons he wanted to be here. I don't think Gordon was ever a possibility to get dealt for anyone not named Paul George or better.

 

And it's well within their right to do so.

We just have to buckle up, remember that we are the competent ones in this equation, and don't give in to their petty negotiation tactics.

 

This would be trade is not about 'us'; it's about moving apart from a part that wants to move, reportedly/ostensibly from Knixies to Rox and getting parts moving in 3 or 4, apparently?, directions and yelling, 'Stop, it's a deal!'

 

That is not smart! Gordon is one of the most sought after commodities because a guy who can win a game off the bench are valued and sought after.

 

This is an interesting situation. Anderson is too valuable on our roster to just dump unless we are getting an upgrade. I know most would disagree but his strengths are a perfect fit for us this year. Obviously he has to shoot better at home but Morey has the luxury of keeping him on our roster to space the floor and get offensive rebounds (underrated). Or trade him for an upgrade in Carmelo.

You want Anderson and not Gordon involved mainly because Melo would take Anderson's minutes as a stretch 4 mosly to be a mismatch every night.

I don't think this would ever happen but man if Melo got bought out and we signed him with the current squad that would rival the Warriors on offense and depth IMO but obviously the defense would be a question mark.

 

Morey said the team we have now is not nearly as important as the one we have come playoff time. We can absolutely afford to wait more than them.

 

If we can't get Melo, Morey will full attention to Chicago Bull guard Dwyane Wade.

 

Why?

 

Morey will just wait for a Wade buyout if he wants him.

 

• Wade seems like diminishing returns.
• He isn't a shooter. Which is very Necessary as the 4th option.
• Wade left Miami because of pay. He clearly feels it reflects the value he has a player. Why would he play on a minimum contract? Especially for us (regardless of his payout)
• Why wouldn't he sign with Cleveland first?

 

Wade would go to Cleveland before ANY other team.

 

I know in reality there is no real rush to make this trade. As long as Melo stands firm and insists on Houston, this remains true, and could carry into the season and to the trade deadline. But with Anderson's injury history, do we really want it to go that long? Rockets would be smart to try to make it happen sooner rather than later. Hopefully Melo and his reps can speed this along.

 

This. If Wade gets bought out and wants to come chase a ring for the vet minimum I'm all in. But even though I'm President of ABRA: Anybody But Ryan Anderson, I'm not sure I'd take Wade for Ryan Anderson at this point. Mostly because who the hell would play power forward? I still can't believe I just said that.

 

At this juncture, you just have to ask yourself a few questions to ascertain who the third trade team is going to be in the eventual Melo trade:
(1) who needs 3 point shooting from 4 spot / stretch 4
(2) are they a potential playoff team (esp. in Eastern Conference) (Anderson deserves to be with a playoff contender and probably only a team that is a piece away from contending will want him) Also, TBH the path in the LEast is much easier than in the West.
(3) who has something to give Knicks (veteran PG + young player 25 and under.... maybe another 2nd pick... so Knicks feel like they "won")
(4) who would want Anderson WITHOUT giving up a lottery pick from him (see #2)

Just considering all options: Teams in the West that SHOULD want Ryan = Pellies (but that would not be nice to Ryno who fled da Bayou); POR (but apparently they gettin high AF & cannot think straight); and UTH (makes a lot of sense, but do they have what Knicks want?)

I'll go on record that I expect the playoff teams in the East to be: CLE; BOS; TOR; WAS; MIL; CHA; DET; PHI / CHI

When you narrow the choices down in the East you get: CHI and DET. I actually think Chicago is going to crunch the numbers and realize they should go full on tank. (Which means they find a partner for Lopez' contract [Lopez to UTH for Burks] and buy out D Wade.) Wade to CLE on vet min deal.

So with DET and Anderson's former coach Stan Van Gundy as the only viable option, our eventual trade becomes
HOU: Melo (NYK)
DET: Ryno (HOU) + Courtney Lee (NYK) + Kyle O'Quinn (NYK) Detroit gets elite stretch 4 to partner with Drummond. Plus Lee played rookie season for Van Gundy and is coming off one of best 3 point shooting seasons O'Quinn is an underrated front court player and gives Detroit great depth at 4 & 5 spots. Detroit would be real threat for 4 or 5 seed in the East.
NYK: Tobias Harris (DET) + Reggie Jackson (DET) + Tim Quarterman (HOU) + either Chinanu Onuaku or Shawn Long (HOU) + 2018 1st from DET (lottery protected; 2019 top 10 protected; 2020 top 5 protected) + 2020 1st from HOU (lottery protected) Harris is from NYC area. Knicks get younger, more athletic, etc. Knicks get the veteran PG they were looking for and pick up 2 1st round picks. Knicks could even package Houston's 1st to a team to get Noah's contact off the books for more 2018 free agent $$$$.
For kicks and giggles, Knicks could also include Lance Thomas to Pistons and DET sending Henry Ellenson to NYC. It would give Pistons more 3 point shooting and cut the long term salaries in NYC so they can get free agents in 2018. But Knicks would probably have to give back that 1st and take a 2nd instead.

TL, DR: Melo to HOU; Harris + Jackson + 2 1st's to Knicks; Ryno + Lee + KOQ to DET
Who says No?
Fans gonna speculate because that's what we do!

 

Why would Detroit trade Jackson and Harris for Ryan Anderson and still have to give up a first round pick?

 

probably Low 1st; Jackson has not been himself since injury (Pistons were looking to unload him to Pellies for Moore & Alinca "allegedly"). Rumors from Pistons is that SVG and Harris are beefing... not sure what about.
Also, just by looking at Pistons squad - if they re-sign Bradley - there is no space for a 2018 rookie / draft pick.

 

If we were to somehow trade for Melo then Chicago buys out Wade in February and we somehow happen to pick him up over Cleveland. The boat is only missing the king

 

I have a couple of questions.

1) If we trade Anderson for Anthony one for one (some fillers), can NY release Ryno and have that be a better deal economically than just releasing Carmelo directly?

2) If NY does end up cutting Melo, and we pick him up on a minimum vet contract (with no compensation - our bench would be Gordon, Nene, Tucker and Anderson! - Even Clutch fans couldn't complain about that bench), does NY pay for two years or one year. I think Melo has two years on his contract, the second being at his option.

 

Buyout would be ideal but also risky if cavs swoop in