Am I the only one that thinks the Knicks aren't crazy ?

Knicks aren't crazy their stupid.

 

Nice though PJ is no longer with Knicks, so they unlikely to run Triangle offense.

 

Bulls used a Triangle Offense with Jordan/Pipenn/kukoc with Paxton/BJ Armstrong/Kerr providing weak side shooting.

Throw in Cartwright/Horac Grant/Stacy King/Longley/Wennington/Rodman setting hard screens. Now the new rules
on zones interfer with the Triangle in the paint; but can open things up with both Ryno & Porzingiz taking bigs out to
the perimeter.

Utah played a similar offense with Karl Malone/Hornacek/Stockton with Byron Russell on the weak side. Not enough
shooters from 3 to win a championship IMO. They basically played the Triangle Offense extended to the 3-pt line.

Keep in mind that the current Warriors use elements of the Triangle & Princeton offense since 1994.

Cavs use ISO with LeBron or Kyrie attacking with cuts to the rim/ rebound "put-backs." Kickouts from ISO.

Houston uses PnR as their main staple of attack with kick outs to 3-pt shooters, cuts, put-backs, lobs, some ISO.
(Of course 3's & FT's are a big deal with Houston.....I'm talking about main facilitating.

Warriors use screens (moving screens imo) which leads to ISO on a mismatch near the 3-pt line...drive...
Kick outs to 3-pt shooters, cuts, put backs, lobs. (3's and FT's are big with the Warriors as well...talking about
initiating attack).

You will see all three teams have players with big numbers in cut, put backs, (of course 3's)....but Houston
has players with good numbers as Roll-Man/Ball Handler in PnR. Warriors surprisingly did not.

So basically I'm saying Ryan Anderson numbers were good in our space and pace offense and can work in their
Triangle Offense in NY. Slight uptick in Rynos numbers in Cuts/Put-Backs (since they would have him in more
of a role near the rim or headed towards the rim than Houston did). Houston mainly used Ryno as a spread
the floor shooter. Depending on the minutes, he could get from 13 pts a game w/Houston to 16-plus pts a game
with a greater role with NY. IMO.

I respect your opinion DG

 

PJ?......I'm drawing a blank. Please remind me

Edited: oh duh. Phil Jackson.

Yeah but they put a team built to run triangle offense for 3 years now. Drafted players this year to
fit the Triangle. Signed Hornacek to coach the same Utah Triangle Offense they ran in Utah.

Trashing it would set them back more possibly.

 

Let's say Melo is bought out and still chooses Houston. Big ifs. Can we still fit him into the payroll? Would he take the min? Would we keep Anderson and say no hard feelings, pal?

 

Not sure if new CBA changed this:

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/23/n...ist-deron-williams-terrence-jones-rajon-rondo

He will get so much money in a buy-out that he may give Houston a discount. But Houston may have to give a future
draft pick(s) similar to Jeremy Lin deal to a team to take Ryno. I don't know if any team has room for his contract without sending contracts out though.

Reports are Melo doesn't want to be far from his son. He may cut Houston a one year deal.....in hopes of going back to NY (Brooklyn Nets) in the summer of 18

 

Don't NBA trades require the salaries exchanged to be within a certain threshold? Meaning if we send Anderson's 20M/yr to someone, they have to send back $16M+ or something?

Our best case scenario would be to get Carmelo at the minimum and keep Anderson, if the Knicks actually think that buying out Melo is better than getting Anderson (or collateral damage in a 3 team trade).

 

Team has to have space. Unless the new CBA has changed things.

Found a team currently at $81 mil payroll.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybq5p6ca

 

@napalm_black
Nwaba could then be waived by us. They also have a guaranteed contract in Zipzer that could be bought out..

 

Ah, I see the difference here. I'm being a bit hard nosed about my triangle definition and you're envisioning an alternative use of Anderson. To me, I've seen it work best in Chicago and the first championship year of the Warriors. That's two situations where the two bigs were big and they set hard picks. I'm guessing you're seeing this as more like a Lakers version of the triangle. My apologies. Either way, great post. I have plenty of respect for you too my friend.

 

Fully agree with everything you just said. Been saying it the whole time, you just say it in such a more reasonable and justified manner. Haha

 

Yes, your high post idea with Porzingis works well. Brings a Center out to the perimeter.

Using Porzingis and Ryno at the same time brings both the Center and the Power Forward out towards the perimeter.
Giving Hardaway tremendous space to operate. Back door cuts/lobs from the weak side.

Yes the Lakers used Kobe/Shaq/& believe it or not Lamar Odom. Odom could do many things in the Triangle
to help make things work. Shaq could not take a big out to the perimeter though. Not like a Porzingis/Ryno combo.
But neither could dominate in the paint like Shaq. Goes back to getting 2's vs 3's though. Porzingis/Ryno might
be more dangerous in point production......creating space and points for others.

Triangle offense in basketball is a read and react scheme. Players say it is an intellectual scheme.
Much like the Houston Texans read and react Offense that receivers and quarterback need to be
on the same page with.

 

Knicks are looking like DMo and his Agent right about now
Not to sling arrows at DMo but . . .trying to play hardball back fired . . .alot

Rocket River

 

Does NY want a disillusioned and angry Melo
to be influencing their Future Star for the next year?

Rocket River

 

I think also . . . they have to see the optics of this
If they buy out Melo . . . he goes to Cleveland
If Cleveland wins another championship
(Probably beating the breaks off the Knicks in the process)

They will look even more foolish in that they got NOTHING for him
MAKE NO MISTAKE . .. no matter where he goes (other than staying in NY)
Melo will have a much better year next year

Rocket River

 

I have much respect for you as well "Big G"

 

I don't blame the Knicks for not wanting to take bad a bad or useless trade for them. However, the way they've handled it has been unprofessional.

 

Phil lit the fire and Marks just thre gas on the flames

 

IMO, I think you guys are vastly overrating how it'll "play" around the league if New York doesn't trade him to Houston. Teams refusing to make trades not in their benefit is expected behavior, not something shockingly player-unfriendly. Yes, benching him (as the OP suggested they could do) would be incredibly stupid, but they wouldn't bench him. The only way this would look petty and nasty is if they were offered a great deal by Houston and still turned it down just to be vindictive to Melo. That isn't happening here--none of the trade proposals are at all good for New York. Every team in the league is expected to make rational decisions and refusing to trade Melo for junk is rational.

I think it's still quite possible that New York deals him to us because A. Anthony's not that good anymore, so they're not losing a tremendously valuable player and B. they may want to end the drama and move on. But I don't think them not dealing him for junk will make them radioactive. (Jim Dolan might, but Dolan will be there whether or not they trade Melo.)

 

Something a lot of people have forgotten is his son situation. If he comes to Houston it will most likely be a rental.