Knicks, Rockets working on Carmelo Anthony trade scenarios

I guess we will have to disagree on that.

 

Fair...but I don't see how you can say that Anderson was anywhere close to a 20 million dollar value in the postseason, or even the regular season. Necessary signing, but a mandatory upgrade needed.

 

Oh he definitely did not perform up to his $20M contract during the playoffs. I completely agree with you there. I also agree we should try to upgrade, which is why I want Melo.

 

I would answer you this way. Against the spurs, I saw James Harden consistently running into a wall in the interior, or I saw him taking jump shots which weren't consistent enough under pressure. That wall wasn't supposed to be there since Ryan Anderson's responsibility is supposed to be taking power forwards to the perimeter, but he wasn't hitting. Additionally, I'd say that other teams can switch non power forwards on to Anderson to limit his effectiveness as long as they can contest. Carmelo Anthony represents an inferior 3 point shot to Anderson, but he's capable in other areas which makes him a more effective shooter since he can create uncontested shots, whereas Anderson cannot get away from a contest. I think that we can all agree on this. How much value this has to each of us respectively is another matter, but this is surely what we have come to know, if we didn't know it already before this past season, in terms of Anderson. Ryan Anderson is serviceable and a real difference maker in the right scenario, but Anthony surely is a difference maker in more situations than Anderson.

 

Chris Paul and CarMelo Anthony are old in basketball years. I can see the allure of playing those guys together but it's really just a shot in the dark hoping it lands on target. Clutchfans have become addicted to the what if scenarios. Cant wait till the reality of October when the games finally start.

 

Everyone gets so fixated on someone's $ allotance it blinds them from that players contributions.

Here's a hypothetical. Say Ryan makes 20m next year. Is injured half of it and only plays like 42 games. Comes back for the playoffs and doesn't particularly shoot that well. At this juncture you could rest assured the hate would be astronomical.

Now let's say we get to the finals. If he were to hit an absolute dagger 3 in say game 6 or 7 that defined the series (think ray Allen's 3 for LeBron) then is his salary worth it?

Probably not, but... He would be lauded in rockets history for that said shot. At that point no one would care how much he makes. Just what he's done.

We as fans tend to quantify a players skill based on salary rather then his actual skill and contributions.

Ryan was extremely valuable to the rockets last year. Including the playoffs where he was horrible. But fans see "20m" and expect James Harden 2.0.

Tl;dr stop paying so much attention to salary when judging a player.

 

I think the style of play for both of our current stars is that their games will age well. Neither Paul/harden rely on supreme athleticism, speed, strength. Both savvy basketball players. I think melo has the skills outside of primary scorer to age well as well.

 

Paul is the same age as millsap so I hope you where saying the same thing when rockets where showing interest in him. And please clarify your old in basketball years comment do you mean it in a negative way? If so lebron is old in basketball years also and was playing the best ball of his career. It's amazing what a little winning and having fun doing it can do to somebody and how much different it can make somebody feel ask nene.

 

Yes I would include Milwaukee & maybe Indy. Philly and Minnesota are cities that offer much even if their teams do not. Players wanted to go to Brooklyn over the Knicks when they moved to where they are
now. Actually while their arena was being built. Prokhorov and Jay-Z entered the picture; but Prohorov
took on too many bad contracts like Garnett, Paul Pierce among others.

Boston benefited from the moves and are now sitting near the top of the totem pole. Nets were set back years.

 

let's also not forget Anderson persuaded Gordon to sign with us, so I can't hate on Ryan for his 20 milly contract. he didn't play up to par in the playoffs and he didn't play well at home but he did allow Harden to operate by pulling his defender so far out. clearly if we can upgrade to Melo, we have to and I"m sure Ryan understands that. At least he still got 60 more million coming to him and looks like he'll be in Portland where he can be on a winning team and have a big role in that.

 

No way carmelo Anthony stays, if he does he's literally saying he could care less about winning.

 

Well he did do that a few years ago when he signed with New York over Houston.

It may be hard for him to separate from his son.

 

Harden and CP3 have been recruiting him real heavy for too long...Mills and a guy that Melo doesn't even know in Perry can try, but it won't work

 

Is it just me or does the new Knicks GM Scott Perry look like...

 

Melo would've agreed to go to the Clippers or Cavs during the regular season if a trade had been agreed to

I think he's ready to move on

 

Thats always my point. The only thing a players $ effects is the salary cap. If we can move that money when necessary (jurys out to see if we can but i believe that we eventually will for melo) then who cares who how much he makes.

If we end up getting melo (jury is obviously still out on that) then will anyone still hate ryno for coming in and helping us compete for a year then leaving?

Its not my money, so why would I care other than salary cap purposes?

@Kim s thread about our options at the time really lays it out in a holistic and fair perspective.

 

If this were 2k, the knicks got blown out and they are so salty they pressed pause to let the timer run out.

 

Lol keeping a disgruntled melo is so contrary to emphasizing defense, developing young players, and creating team chemistry. Melo will be unmotivated and set a terrible example being all pissed off if they keep him.

As melos camp said "he doesnt want an ugly divorce"

We all know thats melos polite way if saying it will be a **** show next year if they dont trade him before the season starts