Am I the only one that thinks the Knicks aren't crazy ?

Minny and Philly had always looked fine on paper, but they have been terrible teams. To fix this, they went out and got Gibson and Teague to join Butler. Philly just went out and SIGNIFICANTLY OVERPAID for JJ Reddick for said veteran leadership.

 

1. I agree that it is an exercise in futility to ask him to expand the list. Can't hurt to try. Who you going to offend? The guy you are shipping off.
2. Ask Portland fans about Meyers Leonard. I understand now that the deal that you want the NYK to take is to accept Meyers Leonard back. Didn't know at first. So the guy that no one else will accept - that is the guy that the NYK should take back to avoid this toxicity in the clubhouse that you are portraying, and to make sure that we don't "anger" the basketball superstars?

If you want to debate the talent of Leonard, ok - that's your scouting eye vs mine. I'm sure you have seen him play much more than I have being a fan of a Western conference team. What I have seen is a marginal player who makes 10 mil a year for the next 3 years. And we should hamstring ourselves worse financially than we currently are, why? To take on Meyers Leonard and Moe Harkless????

 

A. They're not crazy to look for another suitor who would be acceptable to Carmelo and could trade back better assets than Morey is offering.

B. They would be crazy, however, to inaugurate their new front office by sending the league a message that we'll sit an unhappy superstar rather than free him to play elsewhere.

C. Over time, (A) becomes (B). So it's a waiting game.

 

The Knicks are obviously playing a game of chicken with Houston. They want Capella. If history proves itself correct, you guys will win this game, but it's nice to at least see NY finally exercising a little patience.

 

I think this is nonsense. This would only be true if Carmelo wanted to be traded and was reasonable in his options - can you name a single NBA player that was under contract and demanded a trade to one, and only one, other team? Players are smart enough to know that's not a reasonable demand and that a team might not be able to accomodate it.

 

They weren't taking Anderson's contract. That was reported. They wanted younger pieces back, but they don't want Lenoard's contract.

So if they keep Melo this year, they will end up losing him next year to FA. That's given.

So that's 25M cap space next year. That's what they will have by keeping him.

They must think the pieces in the deal are worse than FAs they could sign next year within 25M.

Not that complicated.

 

My question is, if they find a team willing to take on Melo's contract (outside of the two he said are ok), do they try and work something out, then take that deal to Melo and hope he is bluffing on not waiving his NTC. I mean, it would have to be a miraculous team that can also pay his trade kicker too, but let's say a team that is mediocre to good, that is near an upswing, and just needs a star. That could at least help NYK set a market value for him, or at least try to.

 

1. I call it stupid, because while you probably wouldn't hurt too much to ask, it is still a very stupid question to ask of a player. It's like Trump asking why he can't use a nuke.

2. Leonard is still young and can improve a lot despite his regression last season. At minimum, he can shoot from deep, which makes him valuable playing next to Porzingis.

3. The contract for both players (Harkless and Leonard) are not worse than Melo's singular contract IMO. Both are also young enough where they can still improve as opposed to the much older and disgruntled Melo. That's why talks even got as far as they did. Knicks are simply greedy and want more. They are overplaying their hand.

 

Well the last guy who suggested to alienate their current franchise player and trade their future franchise player got fired.

So not a compliment.

 

Right.

Also, you were so fed up with him, that's why you wanted him out, but then market showed he wasn't netting you back much because the no trade clause waiver only limited to CLE and us. So now you decided to keep him.

But you did want him out up until this point.

 

Thing is, you don't play chicken when the odds are stacked against you. Houston will never, ever give up Capela for Melo. That's just never going to happen and both sides know it. Houston can actually afford to wait, as going into the season with Anderson is still a good option for us. Would we prefer Melo? Yes, but Anderson is no scrub himself. Meanwhile, our NG's will expire meaning some team not Houston will lose out on cap relief and that further lowers what Knicks can get in return. A game of attrition only means something when you have some benefit in waiting.

 

The Knicks are in a tough situation and the most likely resolution will be for Melo to be traded, but The new guy is just trying to do his job by trying to have a bit more time to figure out if there is another possibility out there that nets them a better result from a trade.

If Melo wants out, then the best thing for all involved parties is to let him go, but i can understand how the new GM might want to have a few days to try to find a better deal than the one at hand, which he did not negotiate.

If nothing changes after a couple of sit downs with Melo and a few talks with his GM peers go by then he will just have to pull the trigger.

 

Doubt Porzingis has anything to do with keeping Melo or not from their point. That situation is a whole different dynamics.

Lets not over analyze this. They have a new GM who doesn't dislike Melo as much and he doesn't think they are getting a fair return by trading him to us. That's all

 

What is the Knicks' rush exactly? So we can do a sign and trade for Lebron and win the East? Last I checked, Melo as a third scoring option on your team would probably put you guys in a better situation than us. Just sayin'. We have been a friggin mess for 20 years, so we should rush to trade him, why?

 

Exactly! You nailed it!

 

We agree it's a new GM doing his due diligence. That's why this is all a formality. Melo will meet with your new GM and say he still wants Houston. The new GM will salvage the realtionship and trade him where he wants to go and now the GM gets a clean slate with no hard feelings.

Or he could hardline, start his job on rocky waters, ruin his team's chemistry, franchises reputation among agents and players all for what? An extra draft pick?

 

Not that you care, but what would trading Carmelo to Houston do to help the Knicks future. That's the question that the past GM's have failed to ask instead of these knee jerk dumb ass trades that put us in this lousy situations to start. It's Patrick Ewing all over again. If Houston was offering solid young talent back and we were saddled with a bad contract, I get it and could live with it. But who we getting that will be part of our future?

 

Yeah, and the Pacers screwed up BADLY by panic-trading him so quickly. If they waited FOUR more days, Boston would've given them twice as much as they got after they landed Hayward.

 

#3 is a fair point that I knew you would rebut with. Their contracts in aggregate are less on an annual basis than Melo's.