Am I the only one that thinks the Knicks aren't crazy ?

The reason they're crazy isn't because they should be happy with the return of the trade.

The reason they're crazy is how they're going about it. First off, if you want to trade someone who you give a NTC, PO, and a massive trade kicker to, you're not going to get good value -- and that's your own fault. Beyond that, nearly every leak through this has been from the New York side. They're the ones that told Carmelo repeatedly that he'd be dealt to Houston. They're the ones this week that were said to be motivated to do the deal. They're the ones that said they believed it would get done, all the while knowing exactly what was being offered from Daryl.

This is not how you handle any employee, let alone a star of Carmelo's stature who spurned many outside offers to stay there just a couple years ago. This is not how you handle your peers around the NBA. This is the opposite of stable leadership. How they're going about it is an absolute embarrassment. And that IS crazy, because you better believe that players and agents around the league are shaking their heads at this shitshow, and there are going to be consequences down the line.

 

yes.

 

This!

 

It's a total fantasy that the Knicks can just wait out his contract. They will lose their ability to spend that money on a superstar because their image will be further in the trash bin. He will not opt out, just to get back at them. He will refuse to be traded somewhere he doesn't want even if he's an expiring contract. He will give them less than nothing in the court and be a negative in the locker room. Their young guys will give up shots to a guy who has nothing to lose or gain on a mediocre team.

Yes the Knicks have the option to do that. But it's incomprehensible that it will be just 2 years of quiet nothingness while Melos last few years go down the toilet. Agents will screw them. Players will screw them. Media will screw them, because media sides with stars over franchises.

What else can they do? But him out. Doesn't come off their cap. But you have to be a real ****ing irrational pessimist to say that 54m/2yrs of nothing but lost cap space is better than 60m/3yrs for a 6'10 guy who can hit 40% of 8 3pa per game from 25+ feet out with ease in the regular season, even if he can't do anything else.

The Knicks don't have to rush, but there's no kinda bad outcome for them. There are only terrible disgusting outcomes. The only question is are you willing to destroy your image further or put a cloud over your franchise for 2 years just because of 1 extra year of a cheaper-than-Melo Ryan Anderson?

They have no reason to rush that's for sure. But I don't buy the narrative that Knicks can chill and wait with no additional repercussions. They might choose that route, but it would be a nightmare for them and fans. The sooner the start rebuilding in earnest, the sooner they can exit this nightmare. They CAN carry on with rebuild even if Freeman is taking up $10m. That's a more than acceptable downside to the MONUMENTAL screw ups they are dreaming of erasing right now.

We'll be fine. If we start the season with Ryno, he's going to look/play better than last season. That contract won't kill us, and it won't kill whoever takes it.

 

(NYK fan) Houston fans and NY fans are looking at things from two sides of a spectrum. You have to understand that we are NOT looking to compete in the next 3 years. We are not looking to bring in superstars in the next 3 years. We are looking to suck enough to get top 5 picks in the next 3 years. MSG will fill up whether Melo is there or not. They will fill up if we win 60 games or 6 games. It doesn't matter to ownership. So suffering through one more year of Melo (he has opt out after this year) is not really going to change anything. If we were getting young talent back, great - it helps the rebuilding process. But if NY has to take back a bad contract, what's the point? We keep him for one more year, if he opts back in, we cut him and stretch 27 mil over 5 years for cap purposes. Not a big deal cap-wise. "We don't want to piss off a player in a player league" - give me a break. Players will come if the $$ is there. Are we getting the Greek Freak or Paul George in the next few years? Lol.

 

They cray

 

I don't think the Knicks are "crazy", I think they are stupid.

 

That was the whole point of a 3-or-4-team trade! This was never a Anderson for Melo swap. Knicks didn't want Anderson. Rockets had to find a 3rd team. Knicks & Rockets were confident they found a 3rd team; they then needed a 4th team to take back a contract that New York AND Houston couldn't & wouldn't. That was reported by Woj.

No, no real source ever reported who the 3rd & 4th teams were. Less reliable sources say Portland was possibly a 3rd team and @ch44 on here said Memphis as a possible 4th team. Confirmed? No.

Woj "Rocket/Knicks discussing Carmelo Anthony trade scenarios"

No deal was imminent Wednesday, but the Knicks and Rockets are confident that they have a willing third-team trade partner, the sources said.

The fourth team was needed to move a particular player contract that neither the Knicks nor Rockets could or would accept in the deal, league sources said.​

Woj yesterday:

Anthony has been focused on getting a deal done, especially with advanced talks that surrounded Houston. The Rockets were working on a four-team trade with the Knicks that had gained traction throughout the week, league sources said.​

 

You are not considering the difference between paying for role players or OVER-paying for them. If you hold a player hostage, your franchise better be prepared to have to significantly overpay for any player of value indefinitely until they fix their rep.

 

TL;DR
Knicks are cray cray

 

they are basically loosing a lot of leverage (Melo does not want to stay) And this just looks bad on them
If you lead the player to believe he is being traded to Houston and then pull the plug at the last minute does not sit well with all the people involved. He has already been looking at houses in Houston (This means the knicks told him that he was being traded) What a mess

 

Yeah the money is right. You just paid a bench player $70 million to come to your franchise.You are at Kings level attraction. Good luck getting an All-star to go there. Well maybe an East All-star might be enticed.

 

The knicks are so dysfunctional; from trying to trade KP to hiring Phil Jax. They aren't go anywhere and keeping Melo will just make them win more games which will hinder their rebuilding process. Sure, that package sucks but there's no motivation for Melo to play there; he's already looking to Houston. He might stay for the money but he will just go through the motions. People already think he's a loser and selfish anyway; staying in NY won't help him

 

This thread should have a poll

 

Yes, you are crazy. Why would the Knicks want a pissed off Melo on the same team with Porzingis? What does that say to Kristap? Do you think he would ever consider resigning with them after a year of that?

 

Knicks FO woes really make me appreciate what a great GM we have, triple chins and all.

 

The Knicks are a terribly run franchise; one of the worst in sports. If you agree with them, you're almost definitely wrong.

 

NYK's perspective is no different. You can bet that Porzingis is watching the Melo situation carefully. The saying "It's a player's league" is not platitude but hard truth. Porzingis is already disenchanted by the Knicks, though it was mostly with Phil Jackson. If he sees the FO holding Melo hostage, that's definitely going to help his decision in the future. Not to mention, you can't rebuild with JUST draft picks. By playing hardball with a player like Melo, even role players won't sign with Knicks unless they significantly overpay.