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Knicks, Rockets working on Carmelo Anthony trade scenarios

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Jul 12, 2017.

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  1. malakas

    malakas Member

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    Hey CAT, you may be a journalist but we are not. Highly speculative is what we love to do here.

    Also as I said I don't see disingenuity there as I said since the condition for Anderson getting traded hasn't been completed yet and it's the reason the trade hasn't been done.
    If you tell me to take on a harsh job under difficult conditions but you can't fullfill yet my extra high payment, then the deal isn't done and it's the harsh nature of the job that is the deal stopper here.
    That's how I interprete the situation and what Isola wrote.
    And I suck at analogies so sorry.
     
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  2. Bids9

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    Someone far cleaverer than me needs to photoshop Morey's head on this bloke for when the trade finally goes down. Shows Morey's determination for never giving up in his pursuit for stars

    [​IMG]
     
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  3. Quadrakill Amumu

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    1) Anderson -> Overpaid useful player, large 3-year contract
    2) Leonard -> Overpaid useless player, medium 3-year contract

    It's transmogrifying the problem rather than solving the problem. Morey has much work left to do.
     
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    This Melodrama has broken two respected members here in Malakas and Ben and now they're inanely arguing over semantics. We really need this trade to happen.
     
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  5. T for 3

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    We have different definitions of good information then. Not bashing the guy for reporting it, but it was definitely quite off base. Even as a speculation.
     
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    Windhorst:

    'Melo will waive his NTC & may even waive part or all of his trade bonus. (MacMahon: Probably will have to to make the numbers work.) He's ready to go to Houston. Houston is ready to have him. Any bad blood between him & D'Antoni has been temporarily solved. Rockets want him & Knicks want to trade him. They don't want to trade...

    MacMahon: Ariza. They don't want to trade Ariza.

    Windhorst: They want to trade Anderson for him.

    MacMahon: Ariza is going into the last year of his deal. He'd make sense to get back but he's also Chris Paul's boy, a great fit for the Rockets, when they showed up in Vegas, Ariza is right there with them along with Tucker & Bobby Brown. Making this deal without Ariza & Anderson as the primary piece, pretty impressive if Morey can pull this off.

    ...

    Windhorst: So they don't Anderson. Who do we think could be facilitated as a 3rd team to make this trade happen?

    MacMahon: Suns?

    Windhorst: Who wants Ryan Anderson?

    MacMahon: Hell of a question.

    Haberstroh: Bill Simmons said Milwaukee.

    Windhorst: I don't think they will. They want off of Teletovic, Henson and/or Delavedova. ... Dan Feldman tweeted a scenario I think is plausible. I'm not reporting this. I'm crediting someone else's idea. I think this has some merit: remember Anderson played for & thrived for SVG in Orlando. The Knicks would get Reggie Jackson, Jon Leuer to New York, Anderson to Detroit & 'Melo to Houston. There might have to be a draft pick involved. Some other non-guaranteeds the Rockets have that would make it work. That trade is plausible to me.

    MacMahon: Anderson is not a bad player but not a $20M a year player. Only last year when the market went crazy.

    Windhorst: Pistons are desperate to change up their roster. ... There's some belief just make Ish the starter. Drummond would benefit from Anderson. ... That's Mr. Feldman. I'm starting to think it should at least be discussed.

    MacMahon: How do we feel about a Harden-CP3-Anthony trio?

    Haberstroh: It'd be fine. Offensively, top two. Defensively, you gotta believe in Clint Capela. They're huge on Clint Capela.

    MacMahon: CP3 is a good defender. Ariza guards 2-4. Then Capela better take a significant step forward.

    Windhorst: Tucker is a versatile defender. I don't know about 4 years but a versatile defender. Ariza guards the guy Harden can't handle & Tucker guards the guy Melo can't handle.

    Han: How much of a upgrade is it from Anderson to Melo if CP3/Harden will handle the ball the entire time and Melo/Anderson are both terrible defensively?

    MacMahon: Anderson is purely a spot up shooter at this point, a really good one & spaces the floor but Melo attack & close outs? He's gonna get a lot of advantageous looks.

    Haberstroh: He'd be dealing with two of the best drive & kick players in the league. I think Carmelo...he's not a guy you're getting for the regular season. It's for the postseason when those defenses will be tougher. Harden was gassed in the postseason. Adding CP3 + Melo would severely relieve him of those duties & preserve him for the stretch run.

    Windhorst: He had the issues with D'Antoni but when you have Harden & Paul to hold him accountable & I'm not saying they need to pull him into the corner & stop isolating but when you have other star players buying into a system, it puts peer pressure in a good way. We've seen him react positively to these situations with Team USA.

    MacMahon: He'd be Team USA Melo.

    Windhorst: I understand why they're going for it. They also have to try & re-sign Chris Paul. They want to make this as attractive to him. You're getting half the banana boat there.

    MacMahon: It'd be sad if Capela ends up getting traded. He's got a chance to be really good & in a perfect situation.

    Haberstroh: Just turned 23. They're super high on him.

    MacMahon: He knows what he is. Screen-roll-finish. That helps create space for everyone else. And he's really good at it.

    Haberstroh: He's good for that system. They're gonna have to pay him obviously.

    Windhorst: I'd be stunned if they traded him. I don't think they're making that deal if he has to go.

    MacMahon: During exit interviews, I asked Daryl about that. He brought up Clint as a guy who has star potential.

    Windhorst: I don't know about that but with what they want to do as a team, he's pretty damn important to them. He can be their star.

    MacMahon: Is DeAndre Jordan a star?

    Windhorst: 1st team All-NBA, all-star. Yeah, he's a star.

    Haberstroh: Per 36 last year: 19/12/2 blocks

    Windhorst: That'd be all-star quality.

    MacMahon: He has a long way to go defensively but he's long & athletic. There's ability there. Offensively, a stud in that specific role that Dwight refused to recognize the value of.
     
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  7. The Cat

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    Ha, I like to speculate too. Just saying, we need to acknowledge that we're guessing when it comes to the contracts that are going around.

    Isola's perspective would be completely reasonable if he and his paper hadn't reported the "2-yard line" bit earlier and actually incorporated that into THIS column. That was my issue with it. You're not wrong in your logic, and he's not wrong on why it doesn't make sense for the Knicks to take Ryno. It's the timing of it, in parallel with his own paper's scoop a couple hours earlier, that seems offbase here.
     
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    Funny how perspective is so different. NYK and other teams are willing to absorb such bad contracts to garner future draft picks to obtain young assets, but we won't take on a mediocre contract to obtain young assets that have already been drafted. I would think that if Mills was offered those 3 pieces, he would take on RA's contract. Is it outlandish to think Isiah Taylor won't start on the Knicks over Ron Baker? Cam Oliver would provide tough rebounding and give them some muscle up front? Hartenstein was talked about as a top 10 pick before the season started. Don't know why we need this 4 team garbage. Just get the deal done old fashioned way.
     
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  9. justtxyank

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    So they don't know anything
     
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  10. malakas

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    eh relax. It's not like we are about to fist fight over Isola or anything. Big deal.

    If you want to see me broken wait for if the Bucks take on Anderson. HA!
     
    #1050 malakas, Jul 12, 2017
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  11. dje243

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    It's not the same guy I don't think.
     
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  12. H-Town Melo

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    Y'all see that new MDA quote?



    Sorry I'm on my phone and suck at doing this on the phone
     
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    I think you spelled apologies wrong.
     
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    @Rodman23 has been on a roll, lately. He might do it.
     
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  15. H-Town Melo

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    Oh sh*t it works haha
     
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    I'm really high on Clint Capela too...love the kid

    what a great find by Morey

    What they said about the difference between Ryno and Melo is spot on. There's no way in hell that Melo would ever average just 7 ppg against a team in a playoff series like Ryno did against OKC.
     
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    I mean he said "likely", how is he supposed to be able to control if the deal actually happens or not? Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean the information he passed along wasn't legit, things fall through all the time. Not to mention Woj tweeted about the deal literally within 24 hours of him posting that, it's really not that far fetched at all that Woj actually said those things.
     
    #1057 CCM721, Jul 12, 2017
  18. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Capela is not going for Melo

    he is being saved up for that ACE big
     
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  19. ThatBoyNick

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    Oliver/Qi can't be traded until December, they just signed their contracts. Uthoff can't be traded with others for a couple of months. Taylor, Long, Quarterman can all be traded, Hartenstein's rights can be traded as well.
     
    #1059 ThatBoyNick, Jul 12, 2017
  20. Os Trigonum

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    everyone's an insider

     
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