Woj: knicks renew willingness to deal melo to houston

Pretty sure Jefferson would not have agreed to come back if there was any thought he'd be traded to the knicks. He will fill out their bench should the cavs make any significant move.

 

Not true, and your example is a perfect illustration.

A team that would want Anderson is a contender or believes it can be one. Those teams can't afford to pay Anderson. Blazers need to cut their tax bill, and would much rather pay Frye $8m to do most of what Anderson can do. And I agree with you that Anderson is the best player. However, it is not reasonable to say teams are fine with his contract. I don't think they are. I think this deal would have already been done if they were.

Moreover, look at what Portland would give us. That still doesn't make it a better package than what the Cavs could offer a rebuilding/retooling Knicks. They don't want Freeman or Harkless (is he still with them?) and maybe not even Crabbe. The Knicks will take the savings and the pick.

When I look around the team, I see 1 or maybe 2 teams who would want Anderson, and what they would give us is not great. I personally believe that Anderson is almost worth his contract, but other teams don't seem to believe that. Shump and Frye is chump change - a great role player in Frye for peanuts, and a $10/yr Shumpert. At worst, that's a wash. I don't think we can bring better back unless we pit our pick against theirs.

We're going to have to do it. It's either that or Gordon/Capela, which would be a disaster imo.

 

I don't really understand this love fest some of you have with Carmelo, what hs he done of note in the NBA?

 

Valid point.....he never played as a third option and has potential to do well.

 

Jefferson will get bought out by the Knicks, and then..

 

If you were then they would have a GM.

This whole thing is so farcial as two owners with more money than sense and giant holes in their FOs are involved with the ultimate destination of CMA.

And HellNo we don't 'know' Cleavesburg's package or the Rox' or whether Jimmy D would just as soon buy out #7. We have no handle on FACTS!

 

Frye and shump is trash

 

I disagree.

While I concur that Portland needs to cut salary because they are in serious tax, they still want to 'improve' and compete. Shump doesn't do that. Harkless aminu and others are better. They need a stretch 4. While Frye is a decent rotation player, and a nice stretch big he doesn't really improve the roster and isn't a starter.

Do you honestly think that Portland would rather trade harkless and Meyers for shump and Frye over harkless and Meyers for Ryan and NGs?

Shump and Frye give you 2 rotation players and 2.5m less salary this year.

Whereas Anderson gives you a bona-fide starter and clear upgrade but only 500k less salary this year.

Butttttt......

Here's the kicker. We have those NGs. We could send them and they could she'd more salary if they desired. Like say ed Davis.

Rockets then could trade ryan/quarterman/taylor for harkless/meyers/davis and save 7m off this year's tax bill.

So it's either 2 rotation players and stuck fighting for 8th while shedding 2.5m

Or it's gaining a bona-fide upgrade and fighting for 6-7th seed while saving 7m.

Those NGs are valuable to a team like Portland and that's something Cleveland can't offer.

 

Utah is dangling Favors. Could they ship Favors to New York and take Anderson next to Gobert? They need scoring in a bad way.

 

Derrick Favors for Ryan Anderson? Really?

 

They are very interesting. Favors is a good fit next to Porzingis imo. Not only that Ryan is a good fit next to gobert in Utah. Would cost our first I think and that depends on if nyk value favors more than a worse player+pick

Also, Utah seems to like white players for whatever reason...

 

You present a very detailed counterpoint. Allow me to respond to it.

I live in Utah so I hear the chatter every day on the radio and at work regarding the Jazz.

#1. Favors is on the last year of his contract; he is a UFA next summer.
#2. Utah wants to rebuild quickly and Favors is a decent asset.
#3.Even with Hayward they needed some extra scoring (which Anderson provides). The pot would have to be sweetened by Houston, or by New York since Utah now has a gaping hole at SF. I'm guessing Favors is the best piece New York could get for Carmelo, so they could send a swingman to the Jazz, which they desperately need. That's the art of 3-way negotiations.

This is just random musing at this point. Actually wait, let me tag @DarylMorey. There we go.

 

Corrected:

Yes, I very much believe that the Blazers don't think there is that big a difference between Frye and Ryno such that they would pay tens of millions more in tax.

 

I'm not sure you read my entire post, because i laid it all out, including how the blazers could save more tax dollars using the NGs and what the difference between the two would be if you didn't.

But clearly your focused on trying to "prove yourself right" rather than have an intelligent dialogue.

Again, I'll say it even clearly for you. If it's only Ryan Vs Shump+frye it would save them 500k or so with Ryan Vs 2.3m with shump+frye.

BUT....

Again I said BUT...

If you add the NGs, they could she'd an additional contract, like say ed Davis, and save around 7m.

This is something Cleveland CANT give and where the NGs can be valuable.

Which means more tax savings and the better quality of player.

Also BTW, if your eliminating the NGs from the discussion and wanna just compare straight up ryno Vs shump+frye. It's not 10s of millions. It's 1.8m..... You know, pretty much the absolute minimum salary.

I'd rather have Ryan Anderson than I would shump and Frye with 1.8m, when the 1.8m isn't giving me hardly anything just like shump and Frye aren't.

But hey, do you..

 

You are the bomb! Mahalo much!!

 

Well if that is the case, why haven't the deal been closed yet? Since its the best package for NY?

 

Morey wants him so I want him. Not complicated. Morey's BB IQ > mine > yours.

 

He's an elite talent. Him being a 3rd option on a already great offensive team could make us historically unstoppable. All he has to do is make shots here

 

No GM + no reason to rush. They can wait till the deadline. When you're stuck choosing between crap and more crap, there's no reason to pull the trigger till you have to for some reason.

 

To me this smells a lot like the deal we made for Charles Barkely, looked good on paper but he ended up being a cancer in the locker room and the team lost its mojo on t he court.

Melo IMHO is not an elite talent, if he was he would be winning more.