Woj: knicks renew willingness to deal melo to houston

People don't seem to be very well informed about CLE's package.

Shumpert (20m/2), Frye (8m/1), Jefferson (2.5m/1) and a heavily protected 2021 pick
is FAR superior to
Anderson (60/3) and NG

In almost every way imaginable, and especially to a team not planning to contend immediately. To say that we're going to give them Anderson + fillers and nothing more is not reasonable at all. The old, downward trending Carmelo Anthony is worth more than that AND in terms of leverage we are not beating out the only other offer on the market.

In fact, I would trade Anderson and our NG's RIGHT NOW for that Cavs package. Are you kidding me? All of those are positive assets except Shumpert on 20/2 which is so easily manageable and you can even get production out of that guy. Frye gives you most of what Anderson does at less than half the price. Shumpert is your backup SG. Jefferson you can waive or keep around. And now you have a 2021 first round pick incoming. That's a great deal, would put us in good position to make further upgrades before the trade deadline.

We will not get him for just that package unless Melo refuses a trade to the Cavs. We have to throw in our protected 2020 pick and hope that the Cavs are not actually willing to throw in their 2021 pick. Otherwise any sane GM would go for the Cavs package.

 

When you consider that the Rockets would likely figure out a way to include a 3rd team to take Anderson, this isn't true at all.

 

People also underestimate that Indiana could have received a better package trading PG to Boston.

Don't forget they don't want to send him to CLE

 

That's very true, they don't want Melo to stay in the East, so that's an added incentive to trade with Houston.

 

I think that kind of consideration is so far removed from "normal" Knicks thinking that I think it's safe to say they'd deal with anyone if they thought they were getting a deal. The Knicks are not a normal organization.

 

We're going to get a better package for a rebuilding team than $10.5m in expiring contracts and Shumpert on 20m/2?

Whatever we could get for Anderson, the Cavs can snag it from us with that trade package. That's specifically what I meant by: we would trade Anderson and our NG's for the Cavs trade package, and they wouldn't. Anything we can get for Anderson from a 3rd team, the Cavs can get from a 3rd team and possibly more.

So if I were the GM of the Cavs, I would have called the 27 other teams to see what I can get for that package, and then I would be in possession of the same assets from the 3rd team that you claim we can get.

One slight advantage we have going for us is that our pick would be 1 year sooner. However, our pick is also likely to be a higher pick looking at our/Cleveland's situation.

We are hoping for one of three things here:

1) The Knicks are dumb enough to value our trade package higher than Cleveland's.
2) Cleveland's front office is in such bad shape that there is no one there going out of their way to counter us.
3) Another Morey miracle.

I think we will get Melo, but not for Anderson and NG's unless it's a day before the deadline and Melo is still a Knick.

 

I highly doubt that is true. The Rockets weren't the only team trying to sign Anderson last year. He is still one of the best stretch 4s in the league. You are assuming that nobody wants Ryan Anderson. Having two attach to picks to Anderson was only the case when the Rockets were trying to do a straight salary dump. Teams could value Anderson over Shumpert.

 

What are the Cavs going to get from a third team? Who do they have that anybody wants?

They aren't going to trade Love. Its a lateral move and they have won a ship with him.

Anyways...

Let the melo trade happen. I want to watch Melo highlights without the thought of it being all for nothing.

 

I think we will.

 

I've seen lots of posts here. Some people seem to think Ryan Anderson and NG's is going to get it done. No way.

 

Ryan Anderson has higher value to other teams than the Rockets since presumably he'll being going to a home arena that he can actually shoot in.

 

As I see it, Monday is Melo day!

 

@Mathloom while I can certainly see shump+frye is better for the Knicks than Anderson, because of contract length and salary divided over multiple players, your notion that shump and Frye would return more from other teams than Anderson.

1st of all, Anderson is the clear best player of the bunch. He is a legit starting pf and the best stretch 4 in the game. Frye is an OK rotation player on an expiring and shump is a Fringe rotation player.

So let's just say, for instance, Portland is willing to wheel and deal. Would they prefer shump+frye or would they want Anderson? Most likely Anderson because he would be a clear upgrade to the roster, whereas shump and Frye are not.

If you start looking around at teams you will realize most teams would prefer Anderson and his extra year and slightly bad salary because he actually improves your roster. Whereas, shump and Frye do nothing substantial other than add salary. They don't necessarily improve your roster but rather maybe depth.

I think shump+frye+cle1st is better than anderson+ngs+1st from the standpoint of the Knicks who want to get young and she'd salary. But it's painfully obvious that the Knicks don't like either of those packages otherwise it likely would have been done already.

They are angling for a 3team trade, in which Anderson would bring in more value than shump+frye.

 

Has anyone considered that perhaps both Houston and NY want a third team involved?

 

If Ryan Anderson is the best stretch 4 in the game, shouldn't we keep him?

 

Reality is we need a 3rd team to dump Rhyno to. nY have no use for him

Some 3rd team sucker has to take his garbage contract

 

No.

 

Absolutely if we dont acquire melo. Anderson holds 3xtreme value to this club, but we need another star as well as melo brings versatility.

If we strike out on melo I'm sure everyone within the rockets is perfectly happy with keeping Ryan at his cost and productivity