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List of unanimous 5-year supermax players (as of right now)

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by celebrevida, Jul 9, 2017.

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  1. Bennie Anders

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    KAT is absolutely unanimous.

    As of right now, players who you would pay $170 MM to for the next 4 years of their career once their current deal was done, if you polled GMs KAT would be top-5 in that poll. Easy. KD. Curry. Harden. LBJ for sentiment and then KAT.
     
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  2. A_3PO

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    I think Giannis' upside blows away KAT.
     
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  3. daywalker02

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    I dun know about blowing away but he should be more versatile. He is about as tall as KAT.

    When he develops a shot, watch out!
     
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  4. celebrevida

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    Curry absolutely can carry a team.

    In the 2012-13 season Curry was healthy and the team improved from 23 to 47 wins.

    Thompson was improving in his second year but far from Allstar level.

    Green was a rookie bench player that hardly played and was a complete non-factor.

    That 2012-13 Warriors team overperformed and it was all due to Curry. Thompson and Green weren't the players they are today.

    Without Curry, that Warriors team would have been very bad. That Warriors team was no better and perhaps worse than 2017 Thunder.
     
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  5. celebrevida

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    What makes KAT unanimous but not AD though?
     
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  6. malakas

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    LOL you guys can't be serious.
    Tell me WHICH team would say no to a DVPE for KAT, AD , Jokic or Giannis. One.

    Why is everyone forgetting Jokic? Because he plays in Denver? He had been as good as KAT last year.
     
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  7. heypartner

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    Neither Jokic nor KAT actually qualify for the thread title They have to make an All-NBA team next year, or they are out of the discussion for a year, but can try again the following year....but after that, they'll have to wait for their 3rd contract to try.

    The requirement of All-NBA (or DPOY) inherently puts players at the same position in competition for a Supermax....like how Paul George and Hayward got beat out for theirs.

    Maybe wait to discuss the two, until we see who actually make san All-NBA team. We can't just say Jovic will get a Supermax, if he doesn't qualify when his first contract is up. I'm sure one will join AD on All-NBA pushing Deandre out, (likely KAT), but maybe not both...depends upon how defensively dominant 2nd teamer Gobert remains. Also, Cousins could enter back into the All-NBA discussions with AD ... who knows. Or Embiid.
     
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  8. celebrevida

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    The discussion is more about who is unanimously considered worthy of a supermax right now if all teams could theoretically sign said players for supermax.

    It's a thought experiment since as you say most such players are not actually qualified despite being worthy.
     
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  9. malakas

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    yes read the first page. I already explained it to OP but the thread scenario is one where you can just sign any player today to a supermax, regardless of their age or if they are free agent.
    Which is why I chose to include in my list every young player who has superstar potential. 5 years is almost all their best years.
     
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  10. heypartner

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    I actually really like talking about Salary Max's when the max is limited to a small number of players, so we don't dilute the word Worthy of Supermax.

    It's refreshing to talk about this and also try to decide within the rules that the league somewhat places a limit on how many there are. So we have the added challenge of thinking who is worthy in All-NBA measures....since they are competing against each other.

    No one can say to me "How can you not say Jokic?" Well, I can, because as a center, you have to be one of the 3 best, or DPOY/MVP. I'm fine with that way of quantifying worthiness ... So, Jokic likely will not be worthy to me, because worthiness is measured against AD, Gobert, KAT, Embiid and Cousins.
     
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  11. dream2clips

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    Not taking a total crap on you here but this is absurdly out of context.

    The '11/'12 season was 66 games. Curry only played 26. Monta only played 37. David Lee played 57. The true talent of that Warriors team, if healthy, was probably a .500 club.

    David Lee averaged 18/11 in the '12/'13 season; Klay played 35 mpg and shot 40% from 3.

    I concur, Wardell did take his game to the next level post-injury, but I think the man's point still stands. If you throw Wardell on an otherwise healthy true talent 20-win team they likely push 40 wins but fall short of the playoffs.

    Wardell's freakish talent is truly unlocked when you can't smother him with zone or doubles - something having allstar teammates disables defenses from doing. Those are precisely the type of teammates he wouldn't have on a 20 win team.
     
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  12. True Rocket

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    How is Davis better than Harden when Davis can barley make it into the playoffs? Ryan Anderson + EG= 55 wins for Harden. What did those two do with AD? Harden has done more with less talent.
     
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  13. celebrevida

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    Here is another way to conduct this thought experiment.

    Imagine rosters for all teams are empty. Experts come up with a list of top 30 players. Each team is randomly assigned a player but all teams only know their own assigned player.

    Team can either sign said player to supermax or pass. All teams that pass go into a new drawing and those players have to be signed for somewhat less than supermax.

    If a players is drawn that a team would sign to supermax without hesitation, then he belongs on this list.

    If that player would be passed, then he doesn't belong because you'd rather pay slightly less for a different player and have more cap room.
     
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  14. malakas

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    yes and? I don't see how Jokic is likely to be worse than all those other Centers. In fact he is better than Cousins right now. The only minus is that he didn't get that many minutes esp in pre- Nurkic trade. He is right now the best offensive and playmaking center in the league.

    As I said. Noone has been paying attention.Sad.
     
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  15. A_3PO

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    So perhaps after (or during) this coming season he'll join the unanimous group.
     
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  16. oelman44

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    So underrated. And one of the most efficient players in league. His passing skills are unreal
     
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  17. celebrevida

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    While I understand what you are saying, I think you are selling Curry short. Also I think the whole idea of rating players based on who can succeed the most with the least is flawed. The reality is no single player can carry scrubs to a championship, which is the only goal that matters.

    Because Westbrook can dominate the ball and play great iso, perhaps he might be able to carry scrub teams further by playing hero iso ball. But Westbrook is what I call a teammate neutering player and when you add other allstars, he diminishes them due to his playstyle

    Curry OTOH can pretty much play with anyone and only enhance them. Although Durant was FMVP, recalled all those times Cavs literally gave up dunks because two people rushed him to stop open 3s.

    Due to Curry's "gravity", he enhances teammates. That's at least as valuable if not moreso, than ball dominating, iso hero ball players, even if the latter can carry scrub teams to a few more wins but neuters teammates in the process.
     
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  18. Asian Sensation

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    I'll take what is 'durability' for $500, Alex
     
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