God helped me and they are in tax territory they are not willing to pay. So they can't take back more salary but need to clear at least 500 k. So shut your mouth lol. (joking ofc). Also thank god Carmelo would never in his life consider going to Mil otherwise a Monroe + Hawes expirings + 2 first for Melo would have already happened by now.
The debate has to have a point though. You guys are atm saying things like "their GM doesn't want Anderson" etc, which you absolutely don't know anyhow and are just guessing. This whole discussion doesn't make any sense, you guys don't know what's going on behind the scenes or how GMs rate players. Seen it so many times where player xy is on the table (think Cousins, Butler, Rubio, Harden etc) and people here do hypothetical trades with huge values. When the actual trade happens, a ton of people are baffled and saying how the return package makes no sense or how the trade was a complete robbery. So yea, I have no problem with you guys guessing player values. But statements like "their GM would never take this guy" or "the Suns don't want him" is bullish.
This is classic asset value. If at 60/3 in a rush we could dump him + 2 firsts for TPE only, then certainly when it's 40/2 and with patience, you can dump him for a first. This is honestly not even controversial. Obviously, if you eat 20m of the salary, the value goes up. Same idea as what the Bucks can get for Monroe now vs last summer. Another interesting comparison is: something changed. Bucks are not dying to dump the expiring year, because Monroe showed himself to be a useful backup. His value is dramatically higher, his contract might even be sought out by teams now. As for injuries, yes Anderson can get injured. By the eeeeeeend of neeeeeext yeeeeeeeear lol come on. Anderson is 28 and 5 years younger than Melo. Likelihood of injuries, given Melo's total disregard for his fitness till this summer, is hardly different. Melo getting injured would be equally disastrous. Anderson has played 76, 66, 61 games. Even an average of those 3 seasons doesn't significantly change what we're discussing here. Anderson btw - I was explicit - is not going to be dumped in a year with a late first for a TPE. I don't think so. I think in a year, a late first rounder will be sufficient to do a basic 3-team deal where you get good contracts in return. The most expensive thing is to dump someone for cap space. You don't necessarily need that if you're rebuilding. The Knicks obviously don't care about that, they have Hardaway, Noah, Lee and Anthony on the books next summer. And they will have taken a giant dump on Anthony's career after allowing their GM to publicly assault him (keep in mind, I don't like how Melo acted, I'm just describing the perspective of FA's). We will have just been through a year of the media "oh my god, look what they did to Melo". This is what I mean, there's no calm ending here. If they stand pat, they are looking at a titanic level of chaos, Anthony is not going to stay calm and he will take revenge via pulling his NTC waiver and obviously exercising his player option. IMO Griffin will settle for Anderson, lotto protected 2020 and a 2nd. Unless Cavs decide to cash in Love to a 3rd team they find. But I don't think this will happen very soon. I think we're at least weeks away, if not months.
Just add Monroe to Knicks, O'Quinn to Bucks in my 3 team deal then. Saves the Bucks 11+ mill and adds a serviceable big on a cheap deal.
The only thing that I am sure of at this point is that melo will not play game 1 with the knicks. Will he start the season with rockets or cavs? that's the question I think
He is 29 not 28. That's why I said next summer he will be 30.. There's a difference when someone is injury prone years in a row, and someone who isn't. I mean if Anderson doesn't have any injury next season too then ok..but a GM who trades for anyone has to take into account the injury history of a player, no? Monroe is an expiring, doesnt' have 2 years of contract like Anderson will next year. In fact Monroe is proof that Anderson next year will not easily be dumpable. They tried to dump him this year to get rid of their tax, but still couldnt' find anyone to take him for free. And he's an expiring. Anyway it's possible though to be able to get rid of him with only a 1st next year if you can find a team. (Though it will be extremely hard because teams with capspace will be even less than this year were). Why the Knicks don't care about adding another bad contract? Having less capspace means less opportunities to sign a player you want or receive compensation for receiving a contract. You are saying that the Knicks shouldn't care because it is possible IF they are very lucky to be able to dump Anderson in a year with the asset we will give them?
god damn you insist! lol If you want to know , Horst wants to extend JP. Adding even more salary in the position he plays will be counter productive. They have like 4 combo forwards (GA, JP, Thon and DJ Wilson). Plus with the hoopla Woj created about GA leaving , anything is under the microscope. Doing a bad move like trading for Anderson, and you put at risk your future.
I'm at the point where I will buy into it no matter what happens. if we don't get melo we dodged a guy that is 33 and has the reputation of a no defense ball hog that can't win. We will continue our 3 point system and get gordon/anderson money looks all day with 2 fantastic playmakers who can drive and kick. if we do get melo then we just added a clutch 4th quarter guy that will be critical in trying to outscore the warriors in 4th quarters. I mean a lineup of melo, harden, cp3, Anderson/gordon, Tucker/Ariza would be impossible to guard and would give us a chance to outscore anyone. Also it would give us a guy that was a top 5 player when playing next to a great playmaker in chauncey billups. I think harden/cp3 have a chance to get that out of him. I trust the front office, I'm optimistic, and I will get behind either outcome at this point.
You're trying to conflate someone thinking "selfish" boosting their earnings over a couple games as being a bad contract, bad "character" player. He did what 70% of people would do in that situation with his team having NOTHING TO PLAY for but tanking. Shameless, yeah. Poisonous, bad contract? Not really compared to whats actually terrible. He's owed $30 mil, but over 3 years. He'll be 26 when his contract runs out, Hardaway Jr is already 25.
I get every part of it. Maybe pay more attention to the conversation there buddy. We were discussing Melo's positive value as a player being paid 25 mil a year. Do you get it?
He is in Portland. They played for the playoffs???? Where did I say he was poisonous.........Why do you think it has to be equally bad to THJ to be considered bad value contract? Is this the new standard? Is Asik who is owed less for less years than THJ now considered a good contract?
Sorry. My bad. I just don't think the discussion is germane to where Carmelo Anthony is actually going to play next year. He has all the cards.
Knicks should just pull the trigger. They arent winning anything anytime soon. Atleast be part of the plan that brought down golden state and saved the nba from lost playoff revenue warriors sweeps. Knicks want the cap to go up? Well you gotta get a team to the warriors level lol.
yes of course. I just discussed that many teams would rather pay 25 mil a year to Melo than have it in capspace. Small market teams. Of course Melo would never go to the Suns or the now tanking Bulls. Even if he was open to waive his NTC to more teams, these teams would be on the bottom of his list.
https://www.blazersedge.com/2017/7/7/15940700/the-perfect-hou-nyk-pdx-trade-scenario Blazers fans seem to think that Gordon should be on offer to them.
Lol every fanbase is greedy. Us included. I cant wait to see how the trade (if it happens) ends up looking.
