There should be one board for people that are paying attention and another board for Republicans. EDIT: I meant to say Republicans. Dang it. I did it again.
He is owed 30 mil and has incentive 2 mil which he got by NOT shooting 3s once he reached 35%. Like once he reached 35% he didn't shoot another 3 pointer. He is not worth his contract. You can work with that? Sure. It's not an albatross. Is it a good contract? Nope. You can't compare every contract with THJ. lol otherwise most contracts would be beautiful.
Malakas, you're going on a basketballholic esque rampage in this thread. We will se what happens, but I don't see the need to be some adamant about Anthony not being traded. Anderson + 1st and rights to Hartenstein or a future 2nd might get it done, perhaps in a 3 team deal. Anderson is still a useful player, Rockets might be able to flip him with a future 1st + 2nd for a small salary or expiring which is Melo's current worth.
He was the #20 SF by RPM, ahead of guys like Harrison Barnes and.... Melo. He's improving and last year was the first he had a large workload. He's getting roughly 10 mill a year. Basically if you think he will even get 10-15% better - a safe bet IMO - his contract will be team-friendly. He is NOT a bad contract, particularly in the current era. Guys like him take up 10% of the current cap.
I think you proved my point. If you only love him when you can get him for bad contracts, then he isn't on a good contract. If you only love him when he is at the vet minimum, then you don't love him at $20m. No, he is not a bad contract because you are stuck with him for years. He is a bad contract because he does not fit with NY's team, and you literally cannot move him because of the NTC. So you will NEVER get equal value back in a trade. He is a bad contract because you are flushing $20m down the drain. He does not help the Knicks who are trying to go young and potentially tank. A couple extra wins costing $20m is counter productive.
But I am not adamant. I said if Griffin is hired it is very bad news because the possibillity of a Melo trade to the Rockets for such a package has gone down 90% down. Look back at my posts. And then someone said that I was insane and it was a done deal even with Griffin as GM and he won't have any more options. And then I continue to explain why a smart GM like Griffin does indeed has more options than accepting back bad contracts for an expiring Melo.
Certainly, Anderson is negative value. But he is not 2 first round picks negative value. People keep confusing that with value. That was the price of someone totally absorbing the contract, and it is not even necessarily the best ever price you'll get for that. In a year - the equivalent of if/when Carmelo walks - it will not cost 2 first rounders to dump Anderson since he will have a year less to go and the league will be more flooded with bad contracts. I maintain, personally, that if Anderson performed his regular season numbers in the playoffs (or his on past playoff numbers), he would be dumped for a single first rounder right now. That wouldn't be negative value, that would be neutral value. That's all of course highly subjective and we tend to forget that GM's are not robots and have opinions and teams and different means of analysis. For all we know, Griffin thinks Anderson is the worst contract in the league. Wouldn't be surprising. The more critical issue here is jailing Melo. There is no point having capspace after you held hostage a player whose friends are Lebron James, Chris Paul, Paul George, Russell Westbrook, etc. If Griffin is the intelligent GM we've been hearing about, he surely understands that they don't want to be in a situation where with $15m in capspace (and the ability to create more), their best target is Tim Hardaway Jr. If you think that's bad, imagine how it will be after one more circus season of no rebuilding, possibly Porzingis sulking, laying to waste more than 30% of the remainder of a highly marketable superstar's name just for a slight return on investment, garbage coach, terrible PR, drama around all your young guys. This is not desirable either. People are also delusional about what the Knicks can get even without the NTC. Who's going to trade a neutral asset for Carmelo Anthony to join a non-elite team on a 2-year contract unhappily? The NTC is insurance, but it is not dramatically affecting what Knicks would get in a trade. We have to remember that this NTC is not keeping the Knicks away from some treasure chest or something. Marginal difference in return. These guys are not picking between a bad deal and a slightly bad situation. They are picking between a bad deal and a toxic situation. Don't forget that if Melo stays 1 year and in a year he doesn't have the opportunity to join his buddies, he can decide "no trade, no one" and finish in NY with his kid. This offer of accepting two destinations isn't necessarily permanent. Moreover, unless a bidding war happens - which looks less and less likely by the day - these offers might also get worse rather than better. If we are offering ONLY Anderson, I get it. Then, it's worth just taking the risk and waiting. I have always maintained that there is especially no sense in the Knicks trading Melo in the summer. If the deal is Anderson and a lotto protected 2020 - it's not worth waiting imo. They can dump Anderson and that pick next summer and be free - it's the equivalent of Melo exercising his player option next summer. That's something the Knicks wish they could get him to do right now. Anderson might actually be a beast in the East lol. I'm saying, there's more complexity here. The idea that the Knicks can bench him till he declines his player option is as mythical, imo, as them taking on just Anderson.
When I judge the value of a contract I ask..would I rather have nothing (capspace) or that player at that price? In Harkless case I rather have capspace. It depends I guess how likely you think he is to improve. Guys like him who can barely be called 3+D wings, did take up 10% last year. But now all these contracts have become worse and worse as the cap hasn't been going up as projected. Also he gets 12 mil a year not 10 mil with his incentive. For example I didn't like Snell's contract and I think in teh future it has a high chance to be a slighgly bad contract, and he's much better to have than Harkless.
Can you guys calm down a bit? Makes no sense to have heated arguments over GM's thoughts and player values when none of us has any insight. Just gotta wait and see, people are surprised all the time when trades happen and misjudged the value of trade packages.
A smart GM like Griffin would rather have a clean slate without the distraction of a possibly toxic Carmelo Anthony cloud hanging over the team. Griffin has the luxury of cleaning up a mess somebody else made. That does not mean the mess goes away through negotiation. Not this one. The No Trade Clause means the Knicks will have to eat a **** sandwich now, in two months, October, or February. They are going to have to eat it one, or another and they will probably want to eat it sooner, rather than later.
For sure it is more complex. But for your post..you think that Anderson will be dumpable with 1 first next year. But next year, there will even less teams with capspace and also we are talking about Anderson. A player notorious in his carreer for his injuries. Who by the end of next year will be 30 year old.
Ryan Anderson is not some albatross negative value worst-contract-in-NBA history. To a playoff team looking for a stretch four (something that is very expensive in the NBA), he might actually be worth it. Think about it this way: the Rockets and Knicks table trade discussions until the regular season. Which asset is going to appreciate over the year: a Ryan Anderson playing next to Chris Paul and James Harden getting wide open shots in his favorite spots on the floor all night? Or a disgruntled Carmelo further entrenching his reputation as a clubhouse cancer around the league? The Rockets can roll their current roster onto the court now and be a two seed in the NBA and realistically the second best team in the league. MDA's offense + two first team all-NBA type superstars will do that. The Knicks on the other hand have made a concerted effort to clear the air of the previous regime, build with youth, and most of all redeem themselves in the eyes of their fans. Look at the quote from their interim GM and tell me the Knicks have any sliver of a chance to allow Carmelo to be on their roster by training camp. On the flip side, Melo has proven (twice) that he is willing to take money over winning, taking the max deal that his original team could offer him each time. He is NOT going to leave money on the table in a buy-out. Furthermore, he is actually a liability of a contract at this point. There is no guarantee at all that he will magically turn back into the superstar that was the best player for Team USA in the 2012 Olympics. He is a gamble to any team that is wiling to take him on. A lot of times veterans in bad situations never recover. Morey is in risk-taking mode which explains our motivation to acquire him. But there's nothing in the tea leaves that says we will have to give up a lot to do so.
Well..if a forum isn't to have heated theoritical arguments about things you have no control about then what is it for? lol
But many teams don't. He is a very likely expiring 26 mil contract. Will the Suns prefer 26 mil in capspace they can do nothing much with, or one year, hell even two of Melo? The answer is Melo. Hell even the Bucks my other team I bet would rather have 26 mil of Melo than capspace. Small market teams, can't do much with capspace but sign overpaid roleplayers.
Funny enough, I could see the Bucks as a landing spot for Anderson. Anderson, Hou 2020 1st to Bucks Teletovic, Hawes, MEM 2018 2nd + rights Hartenstein to Knicks Anthony to Rockets Something like that seems pretty square for all teams involved.
Melo doesn't move the needle for all that many teams so I'd be surprised if that was the case. He's not quite where Josh Smith was just prior to his buyout, but he's a lot closer to that than you are realizing.
But it doesn't matter. Melo brings tickets, star excitement and delusionment. Had Melo not have a NTC, there would be teams lining up to trade for him with positive value. For example had Melo said he wants to go to the Bulls, Gar Pax and their owner would be all over trading firsts for him. That is positive value as a contract and player because he can bring back positive assets. On the other hand, Portland who is desperate to clear capspace to get out of the huge lux tax they got themselves in, had they want to clear Harkless contract? At best they can find a team with a gm that likes him, and maybe give up a second.
