But Ryan was a big part of last seasons success. It's just that last summer everybody (almost) got overpaid. Freaking Bazemore got 70M and shot wayyy worse than Ryno. People hating on Ryno because he got paid, not because he was a bad player.
Morey has been after Ryan for some time. Harden wanted him here and Gordon came because of Ryan and harden. Ryan spread the floor for harden even when he was cold people had to cover him. We kinda lost our fire once nene went down. It also seems like James Dolan is holding any kind of deal from happening. He thinks he can get a better deal for melo which he won't. He think he can probably get a lot of #1 picks or another star.
Did you hear jontro renegotiated Anderson's contract on 2k17 down to vet minimum? Yeah, but were you able to trade him for Melo, yet? Seems you will have salary-matching problems, now. You might have reduced his salary a tad too far. We'll have to fire you if you need to package Gordon in that deal to make the salaries match.
I've got no problem with Ryan except he was so, so bad in the playoffs - it really helped the Spurs collapse in on Harden. He went from shooting over .400 to under .300. And he's an average rebounder and terrible defender, so when his shot is off he doesn't help you win in other ways. But I'm willing to run it back with Ryan. With CP3, everyone is going to feel less pressure offensively. Note that everyone on the Warriors always plays with swagger because each of them know all of the help they have, whereas Harden, Russ, and Kawhi have everything on their shoulders. You add CP3, suddenly everyone gets a confidence boost and guys like Ryan and Gordon will shoot more consistently. We were never going to win a championship with Ryan as our 2nd highest paid player. Things will be different this year. I give him a pass.
We took a chance on a backup - hoping he was ready for the starting role. It did not work out. That is all. Ryno could still get better but I doubt it He is a SOLID backup You know another backup with took a shot on . . . JAMES HARDEN We did not need Ryno to be Kevin Love But we needed his shot to be consistent 35~45% a game would be nice Not 80% tonite 0% tomorrow for a 40% average He shrunk in the playoffs Many of the players shrunk in the playoffs and honestly. . . to an extent . . . that is on the coach D'Antoni needs to coach up these guys D'Antoni needs to loosen his rotation Ryno is fine 20 mil a year is not great but he was a gamble Win some .. . Lose some That said. . . . I don't necessarily want RYNO gone. . . .but I want his Salary to stop STOPPING us from improving The Man is ok . .. the salary is not Rocket River
Except for the playoffs, I am a happy camper with Ryan's first year contract results. The jury is obviously still out for the next 3 (playing or traded). Based on his first season, I am fine with having Ryan for the next one - maybe just rename Toyota Center into something else, it might do the trick.
you never know, Anderson could get hot and shoot lights out at home this next season, especially if he sees a hypnotist or psychologist who gets him over the home hump. Playoffs-wise, maybe Chris Paul will be his good luck charm. Could happen. Then this time next year we'll be treated to all the finger-pointing over who wanted to get rid of him and who wanted to keep him.
Ryan Anderson's contract will be easy to move. Maury had the cap space and had to use it on somebody. Teams around the league will take Ryan Anderson's contract with both hands - Village Idiot Larsv8
Those are fair points, and while you don't want to do the research to look back, I think that's important to judge Morey's main argument on the podcast. He said he overpaid...well I don't think "overpaid" was used but definitely alluded to why the contract was so large. His reasoning was that he believed after striking out with the big dogs, that he had to get Ryno & EG because the next step down in FA talent was too huge of a drop, and the Rockets are always trying to compete. So instead of taking that comment at face value, I looked at last year's free agent list: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2...where-players-are-going-whos-still-available/ According to that list, Ryno was the #19 ranked FA last season. For the life of me, I can't find any stretch 4 or 3 that can play 4 who is decent on that list who the Rockets should have taken instead. Mo Speights is the closest we got (37% 3pters vs 40% Ryno), but that guy moves slower than Ryno, is just bad defensively. Now I would have signed Speights because he was cheap last year (but wants MLE $ now), but looking at the Clippers lineups, Speights played Center 99% of the time (estimate because I'm manually going down the lineup stats and it's 6 minutes of the first 630 minutes that he played) and that makes sense. He's a plodding center who can shoot, not a stretch 4. Agreed on your last point. Though, I still hope at some point in time they can move Ryno for Melo. Not everyone loves that idea, but I'm all for it, even with the possible downside. Answered above. Morey was explaining why the contract was so high and I looked up the landscape to see if he was blowing smoke up our collective asses. My contention is that he was probably right. After the top dogs, last year's FA class was trash. The Rockets ended up with the 6th man of the year in EG, and a starter who shot 40.3% from downtown in Ryno. I'm all for not having Ryno if there was someone who was better. Kent Bazemore was on the list and he had a worse season than the prior year and only 2.1 win shares. 1) I don't think it's fair to say it didn't work out when he shot 40% from 3, helped the Rockets improve, and helped make the Rockets a more attractive destination for CP3. The Rockets were 41-41 losing Dwight/Beasely/etc and gaining Ryno/EG. He did poop the bed in the playoffs and I'm 100% in agreement with everyone who was disappointed in that. 2) This whole thread is mostly about his salary. The argument made by Morey was that he paid a premium because that was the market last off-season. The talent drop-off was too big according to Morey and the NBA told all teams that the cap was going to increase this off-season at nearly the same pace. The NBA was wrong. That is why the FA contracts this off-season are shorter in term. The market has changed and Ryno's contract is worse off because of it. But Morey's contention that last season's FA crop was crap after Ryno and Ego seem to hold water. If you criticize the deal (and for now, the term length seems to be the most valid argument), then please suggest an alternative path for that $18M, especially since the owner and top player gave commands that being competitive is required (so the money must be spent). http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2...where-players-are-going-whos-still-available/ And again, I would have added Speights on the cheap. There's still $18M to spend. And Speights is a center, so we still needed a starting PF. And with that alternative to Ryno, would the Rockets still be a 55 win team? And could the FA signed be traded for Melo?
Aren't you the person who basically dismissed Morey as incompetent, ain't gonna do nothing, and fat in every summer speculation thread? How do you view yourself right now?
I found it! Harrison Barnes and Courtney Lee! Finally...now I haven't thought it through and looked at their performances from last season and the move-ability of them going forward; however, those 2 contracts are the first real legit combo I can think of from the list. Instead of Ryno and EG, the Rockets could have spent the same total money on Harrison Barnes and Courtney Lee. Better? Worse? At least it's a legit alternative.
You know what they said about hindsight. At the time, striking out at KD and AH was pretty much assured after the crap season they put up with the Dwight / Harden non mesh. Who's fault is that? I think the 'man' being trade after 1 year tells all your need to know. That collapse, with the crazy cap allowing somehow the best team by far to have $$$ to sign KD, (he would not have gone there if it was for MLE and you knew that) made the monster that ate the league. If GS couldn't afford KD and Rockets didn't play like crap they was a real possibility KD would have joined Harden to chase ring. OK back to Ryan, that was the market, they needed to upgrade, it was at a cost and if not for chasing a 3rd star I this the team is OK now. But with the GS monster in the room there is no rest as they must 'arm' up with stars and Ryan isn't one
Never said incompetent. Always said he is a mediocre when it comes to drafting. And always called him triple chinned. You got a problem? The one I called incompetent was McFail. Don't get it all twisted.
He had big games last season in the regular season but also really really bad a lot of games. I wish he would be more consistent. He's definitely over paid, but so did everyone. Now we gotta live with that.
Ryno because of the playoffs and last offseason's going rate is a bit of a liability of a contract (i.e. you'd have to give up an asset to trade it). But let's oversell him here. He still has significant value, perhaps to the Rockets more than most teams, because of his play on the court. A 40%+ 3pt shooter that's 6'10 and has range out to 30ft creates a lot of gravitational pull that you wouldn't otherwise get at that position. He opens up the court for Harden, and now with CP3, himself a 50% 3pt-catch-and-shoot guy last year, the defense will have to stay honest even more. If anything you can expect Ryno's percentages to go up even more if he stays on the Rockets, because look what happened to JJ Redick's numbers when he joined the Clippers. Paul will work really well with Ryno, Ariza, Gordon, and our other shooters. To reach that championship echelon, I agree with JVG that we'll have to demonstrably improve our defense somehow. Ryno doesn't help there, but neither did any of the options we were thinking about at PF save Paul George. In the end, there just aren't many do-it-all guys who could be great on both ends of the court at PF: Draymond Green, Lebron James and that's about it! The NBA as a whole is moving away from the old back-to-the-basket PF archetype, and guys like Blake Griffin and Lamarcus Aldridge just don't translate into wins like they used to. If Ryno is on this team in November I'll be expecting a two seed out of this roster. Health permitting we should still be challenging for the greatest regular season in Rockets history.
I didn't disagree with what Morey said on the podcast. I still stick with my previous statement that it was the right move to sign RA at the time, but I just didn't (and still don't) like the contract. Is that overpriced (IMO) contract the only way we could have gotten him? I certainly don't remember there being a bidding war for his services but who knows, maybe there was. I'm no jopat insider. My post actually shouldn't have been posted in this thread because it was mainly about looking forward, whereas this thread is about looking back (which is wise to do). At the time, the signing made sense from a personnel perspective. At the time, the signing looked bad from a financial perspective. Present day, the signing looks bad from a personnel and financial perspective. Would CP3 only have come here had RA played with us last year? Maybe. Who knows. Again, I'm no jopat insider. Anyway I like the thead; it should help us gain perspective. Though I am not RA fan I do think he has his place on a winning team; I just don't think it's as a 30 mpg player. Edit Also I think he's the shortest supposedly 6'10" player in the league. I'd bet he's closer to 6'7"
I feel like there's huge misconception about Ryan Anderson trade value right now. When people point out that Zach Lowe or whoever said the Rockets needed 2 1st round picks to dump his contract, that is NOT the situation the Rockets are facing now. That was a situation where the Rockets needed to get under the salary cap to clear room to outright sign CP3 and/or someone else. That was a situation where the Rockets had to trade him for $0 back. That is a wholly different situation from today, and why all this talk of "why did the Rockets give up assets for CP3 when they could've signed him and kept the assets to trade RA" and such makes no sense. By trading for CP3 and staying above the cap, the Rockets no longer need to trade Anderson for $0 salary. If the Rockets want to trade with the Knicks for Melo or be in a 3-way for Love, Ryan Anderson can be traded for an expiring or a 2-year contract. That is much, much easier. For one, you open yourself up to more partners because there are a lot more teams with $20mil worth of salary than those with $20mil capspace. For another, teams who are trying to compete actually want Ryan Anderson as a player, as opposed to teams with huge capspace who have no need for such a luxury type piece. tl;dr version. The Rockets may or may not trade Anderson but if they do, it's going to be much more feasible than what people are imagining based on current reports.
I hear you but he alone is standing between us and getting the pieces we need to be the team we all hope for. We signed a $20 mil 40 ft. shooter who does nothing else. He's a part time player (forget in TYC) ...at 6'10", he plays at a 6' level on D. It's disheartening to watch each potential piece disappear because no one wants this guy.JMO.
