[Woj] Carmelo Anthony open to waiving no-trade clause for Rockets or Cavaliers

i wouldn't turn it down and lose cp3 for nothing.

 

The rationale you're giving for each team is true, but you are not assigning the appropriate value for each rationale.

For a rebuilding team to get vets and players who fit, that's a need that's worth $4-5m. They won't take on $60m to fill that need.
What you give the Knicks is indeed better than Anderson or Love, but they would still not prefer it if the sweetner is a young restricted FA being dumped by his team.

The Pistons, from what I was told here, cannot add salary. Taking Kevin Love means losing KCP apparently.

3-team trades work where there are 3 different needs. That's why you don't see two teams competing for the same FA, and then participating in a 3-way for that FA, unless that FA's choice of team is critical.

But I think the big thing here is, there is no chance the Suns take Anderson without getting a better player/asset than Warren coming back, and even our 2020 lotto protected is not a better asset than Warren. There's simply no way, it's not that it's not likely to happen, it's that they would just hang up. There are 28 other teams, the Suns don't need to be in this deal, they need to be rewarded for facilitating.

 

Hopefully you are right

 

If there's any way we could wrangle Jared Dudley from PHX... I've always thought he'd be a good addition to our bench.

Never wanted Melo. Love would be an undeniable upgrade at the 4, but don't see Morey having that much in his bag of black magic tricks, or even up his sleeve.

As it stands, we have an improved roster, skill-wise. Hope we haven't lost too much hustle. Maybe PJ and Ariza will rest each other enough to deny KD the ball a bit, and make him work. It's going to take a lot of hustle to get over that hump. And heart-- Harden, the whole team's looking at you.

 

there is one GM behind the phones that can faciliate without being rewarded. Hammond in Orlando.

 

Yep. It all starts at the top

Ask knicks fans lol

 

I think that part 1 and part 3 aren't likely to happen. If the Cavs trade Love they will trade him for other pieces not for Melo.
The Knicks dont have leverage they only have two possible trading partners. You don't have to pay such a price to get Melo.
On the other hand if Detroit wanted to trade Tobias and Mook they can get better value than that.

But who knows. SVG isn't the smartest GM in the end.

 

Sounds like we are all but out of the Carmelo sweepstakess then huh

 

There is no chance the Cavs trade Love for Melo. They aren't going to be that stupid.

 

Cod hears a lot of talk around the league. Sometimes that is right, sometimes it's just chatter.

 

i appreciate your well thought out response to push my thinking, and @malakas as well.

if im the pistons, i'm taking love over KCP anyday. following both of your logic, there is no team that would take what the rockets want to give in order for us to get love. every team in the league would cut us out of the deal, even if they just wanted to flip love they'd find better assets than the rockets can give or find for them.

that leaves only 1 solution and that's beating out the cavs for melo, and hopefully they refuse to include love. we are in no danger of being cut out of a melo deal by the 3rd team because of melo's NTC. so if melo is our best chance, what team(s) do you see as being a possible facilitator for taking anderson and giving the knicks a decent offer? DET, MIA, MIN, PHX, SAC, UTA?

 

I tend to agree with you.

I'm factoring some contextual things like:

- Tobias is unhappy and I'm sure SVG is also unhappy with him. But who wants a $15m Tobias who seems to be complaining for 4 years now? The Knicks. lol Thought to be fair to them, maybe he stops complaining when he's in his hometown, and he is still the best asset I've seen offered to the Knicks so far.

- Anderson is a negative contract in the market, but SVG likes him since back in the day. Maybe he is less negative for SVG? Also, they need to shave some salary this helps them. Combine that with my belief that a coach like SVG eventually returns to what's familiar to them even if it failed (in this case, Ryan Anderson) and maybe it moves him.

- I definitely don't think anyone should trade Love for Melo, but if Lebron is heavily influencing trades, maybe I guess. They tried to trade Love, and the 2 teams that were interested are no longer interested/able to absorb him.

Again, I also think it's unlikely. But almost any 3 team trade that happens I feel someone got screwed so who knows what everyone's thinking. In general though I feel these 4 teams can find a way to work it out, it's not as far-fetched as I thought given each GM/owner's tendencies.

 

Saw this.... interesting take on some of the proposed moves
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7...y-trade-rumors-rockets-cavaliers-knicks-ideas

 

what's the likeliest trade offers in the table right now for the Knicks are Anderson and Frye + TT.

Also KCP's case isnt set in stone. There might not be a team that offers him a max. In that case Detroit has no reason to shed salary. immediately His agent is Rich Paul so what likely happen then is that we will have a long drawn negotiating war that lasts until September or August.
So the situation is fluid. Who knows what can happen.
Atlanta looks like a tanking team, but their coach, GM and owner don't want to tank. So they may get desperate later on and take anderson.
They might also on the other hand be interested in other younger players other teams want to get rid of like Corry Joseph or Valanciunas.

 

And didnt Orlando have Ryan Anderson on their infamous white board?

 

Just sharing thoughts man, thanks for the discussion.

I mean. Yes I think getting Melo or Love for nothing but Anderson and expiring contracts is almost impossible. I think ultimately, Morey would include a lottery-protected 2020 first in that deal if he saw this team on the court for 20 games and decided that adding Melo pushes us over the top.

I think right now on Anderson? Nobody basically. Detroit kind of, for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post to malakas. Maybe SVG has a soft spot for Anderson, an anger towards Harris, and a need to shave $3-4m off his current salary cap. He's an old school guy, not a smart GM by any stretch of the imagination. I can see them making a bad deal.

If Dieng is as bad a defender as people say, then maybe Minny is willing to do Dieng and Aldrich for Anderson and our pick? Not sure if Knicks would be interested in taking Dieng in a deal for Melo though.

As far as everyone else goes, I don't think anyone wants Anderson this instant. I think that could change as more dominoes fall, as we see drat picks showing their readiness, as we enter training camp and see some games. I think a top 10 team would consider it. I think an unrealistic owner/GM somewhere who wants to go from borderline playoffs to mid playoffs might consider it later. But the market is bad, and I don't think Anderson's true value is this low. I think it's just the way everything is sitting right now is affecting what we can get for him. I don't believe the narrative that we have to include 2 first rounders to get something decent in return. I think people are forgetting that the 2 first rounders market value is in relation to absorbing Anderson outright. We don't need someone to absorb Anderson, we just need someone to give us expiring contracts, or some combination of expiring and good contracts. We could get that done with our lotto protected pick, but maybe also with a 2nd if we're patient.

And if we accumulate expiring contracts amounting to Melo, the Knicks take it no questions asked. That would be reducing their $52m commitment to something like $20m, which is faaaaar better than any buyout they can reach with Melo, and better than taking on Love and having to flip him in a market that hasn't been kind to Love either. Maybe everyone overstocked on stretch 4's in general, I don't know.

 

the only one that makes sense is the one to Portland.
Except if PDX wants to shed Crabbe AND take Love they will have to throw something to the Cavs.
Maybe the player they just drafted at 10.
That's not a bad trade at all and works for all teams involved.

 

Jared Dudley needs to get bought out so he can sign here for the minimum. He needs to be a rocket at least for a cup of coffee before he retires. He was born to play for morey

 

Dudley wants to play for Houston. He has actually said it in the past.