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The Houston Rockets are HARD CAPPED! Discuss.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bilaal14, Jul 2, 2017.

  1. pwnyxpress

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    Yours is just the opposite. Based on Morey's history, I am pretty confident he can move Anderson's contract if he wanted to...eventually. Will it be in time? No one knows.

    I also saw your other comment about us being 3rd in West = we took a step back. Well, I mean, yeah. You could say the same if we ended up 2nd in the West and still did not make Finals. It is kind of odd to work backwards from a negative conclusion to determine that the actions before it were misguided lol.

    The players we traded, even when seen as assets, were probably worth getting CP3 now as that bolsters our chances of beating GSW presently. Guarantees it? No. Heck, CP3 and Harden could totally not mesh and then having just moved a SINGLE pick or even Bev would be, in hindsight, a terrible move (think Ty Lawson). But you just got to pull the trigger with the direction and info and options you have at your disposal today.

    Morey made the right move in my opinion, given the current NBA landscape, the "wall" GSW presents and Harden's looming free agency (sooner than we think!)...with everyone's desire now to form superteams. It means if you aren't in the hunt, you are REALLY far on the sidelines. Teams with stars just keep attracting more stars, and there is little value in a middling playoff team today...
     
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    Morey counts cards. He's great at poker.
     
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  3. OTMax

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    Still need a PF, even with Anderson or whomever is starting. We have enough wings and guards, just a serviceable PG in case of injury
     
  4. pwnyxpress

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    This explains his cockiness. That doesn't mean displaying it is not a character flaw / hurts him in his trades. Just like how he used to love to vocalize how players are "assets" == it's like dude, stop saying that. I know you THINK it, but don't SAY it. Players are people too and yes, it does affect their mindset and decisions. Not everyone is a logic machine (few are...).

    Look at the superteams today, a lot of it relies on that 'personal' factor as well with all the players working to get friends together haha...
     
  5. steddinotayto

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    I wonder if some forget that it was only a few years ago that we were talking ourselves into believing that Kevin Martin can be an All-Star and a franchise player for us. Hell maybe they also forget the time when Pig Miller and Thomas Hamilton cracked the rotation .
     
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  6. kjayp

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    You make your team better by by evaluating prospects and grabbing guys before they've peaked... you gotta buy while the stock price is low - not after its exploded...

    When DM got harden did he get 'one of the top 5 players in league?' No, he grabbed the 6th man of the year... paid him on potential... and was right... good play.

    I dont mean to sound pissy... but this whole 'trying to get x # of superstars to compete with GSW' is a fool's errand... When dealing with a cap you can only fit so many big contracts... If you try to get too many that aren't homegrown (ie drafted) then at best you just end up with a few stars, an unbalanced roster and matt Maloney as your starting point guard.... which gets exploited in the playoffs and you're no better off... we've seen this movie before

    The reason you gather top dollar stars is too get your fanbase all geeked and spending money - before the big let down...

    Chandler parsons on a rookie scale contract = good value
    Chandler Parsons on max contract = bad value

    Granted max contracts caps overpaying - to an extent... but you can only fit so many...

    but everybody wants superstars...
     
  7. LosPollosHermanos

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    That's what she said, and it worked out just fine.
     
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  8. steddinotayto

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    And yet Morey continues to put us in a good place despite his perceived arrogance. If his boastfulness was actually detrimental to building a team then we wouldn't be in this position right now.
     
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    I understand the folks who have reservations about the roster and the flexibility, or lack thereof, that we find ourselves with. But I feel most people are forgetting the ultimate goal which is to somehow find a way to beat the warriors. It's not about having a great cap situation or hoarding assets. We are taking home run shots because that's what's needed. We can plan and plan and plan but we need some luck and things to fall our way which hasn't happened yet. Buyouts may be coming. Maybe when the season starts some teams may realize hey we really need a stretch 4 to get the most out of our offense and bam a market for ryno opens up. I'm glad we are taking our chances, win or lose. At least we are going for it because the roster we ended the season with wouldn't have beaten the 2016 warriors. The spurs, as of now, still can't beat the warriors. Minny and okc have done well but still aren't threats. This isn't 2k. Anyways it's much more enjoyable being a rockets optimist, some of y'all should try it.
     
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  10. baubo

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    You make it sound like people are taking Morey's calls. When he gets more deals done than most GMs. He had to trade for several contracts to make the CP3 trade work and teams came helping.

    Teams trade with Morey because they benefit from these moves too. While players clearly don't give a damn who the GM is because they just care about playing with each other.
     
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  11. Big Uns

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    Fans like you make me laugh. "Wait till next year!!!!!" Its been 25 years now and its always wait, wait, wait. Ill make a deal with you. You imply "banana boat" next year implying Lebron. If we get Lebron next year I will delete my account. If we don't, you delete yours. Deal?
     
  12. pwnyxpress

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    I kind of agree, but the trick here is (assuming the owner does not mind spending, like CLE and GSW) to get good talent at a good deal, then KEEP them. And then get big stars.

    Kyrie and Curry + Draymond + Klay started with those teams. How much they make from now on is kind of irrelevant. GSW and CLE can just keep spending over the cap to keep them, should the owners be willing to fork out the cash. Both those teams attracted superstars BECAUSE of the talent they already had (from the get go). Having LBJ and KD definitely put them over the top...

    So did we buy low? Check, we got Harden early and have all his bird rights. Now we need to get a superstar. I mean we need stars and you can't just only bank on potential forever.

    The team you're thinking about or want is Minnesota Timberwolves, and you know what, that is exciting. Time to see how they do! But they also tanked for YEARS (I mean when was the last time they went to the playoffs?!) to get those great young talent! When have the Rockets ever tanked?

    Got to work with what you have. It needs a combination of finding good value and also pulling the trigger on starpower when you can get it. Today's NBA is no longer single star or 2 + solid role players. Just can't cut it in this player's league. It is VERY hard to develop from scratch 3-4 superstars...and it takes quite some time.
     
  13. malakas

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    I dont know who is better than who.lol Zeller is a good offensive player who can't defend a chair.

    Shabbaz also will be renounced and be an UFA. Another one we can sign at the vet min on a one year deal so he can reclaim his value and get a big contract. Provided he doesn't sign with the Kings or Bkn ..lol
     
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  14. pwnyxpress

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    I did not mean to say Morey gets nothing done haha. I am a HUGE fan of Morey. I am just pointing out a probable character flaw of his. He will most likely get more deals done if he were a little less "MIT" if you know what I mean lol.

    He gets a lot of good stuff done now, and of course teams care about their benefit the most, but there are always 'push' situations. Not everyone is logical, or more importantly, no one has perfect information.

    I think even Morey realized culture matters with how he handled the team after Dwight left to right before it. Look at San Antonio vs. Sacramento -- you think culture does not matter? How the GM acts affects culture. It does not dominant it -- culture is almost like a living thing of its own -- but it affects it.

    I am saying Morey's smugness and MIT-ness does little to help him (when he is perceived that way or acts that way), so it is probably a negative. Take Morey as a whole though, flaws included, I still think he's one of the best GMs in the league and I trust him a lot.
     
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    the warrior fans waited for 40 years. 25 years is nothing compared to that.
     
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  16. pwnyxpress

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    Hmm, you can see my response to baubo above.

    You're confusing something that is detrimental to something that is necessarily unworkable. He can be a great GM AND smug. His smugness can hurt him and still not make him a BAD GM. It just makes him worse than if he were, you know, not smug. 10 deals, smug Morey gets 8 of them done; not smug Morey gets 9 of them done. Not smug Morey > smug Morey, all else equal.

    Unless your position is smug Morey > not smug Morey as a GM for the Rockets, I am not sure you're arguing against what you think you're arguing against.
     
  17. don grahamleone

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    We should probably start a separate thread to discuss the merits of the poll.
     
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  18. bilaal14

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    The point is that we are getting better. We HAVE gotten better and we aren't close we to being finished for the start of the season.

    And even though that, clutchfans, rockets twitter, and fans like you can't seem to see the bright line. We are working towards the goal everyone wants to reach.... Rome wasn't built in a day.

    My GOD
     
  19. steddinotayto

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    In an ideal world everyone would act civil and get their job done. This doesn't just apply to Morey. Since we don't live in an ideal world if Morey's only glaring flaw is that he's smug then he's not doing all too bad.

    The idea that this smugness has prevented him from being a better GM can't be proven and rather than trying to analyze what he could be without his "MITness" I rather just look at his track record and judge him base off of that.

    I'm not saying this is you but posters have complained about this level of confidence that Morey displays and how it will prevent him from doing his job but I haven't seen one example where a player did not want to join us bc of Morey or a GM not wanting to deal with the Rockets bc of Morey.
     
  20. don grahamleone

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    Liked for your avatar/member name combo, not the content of this message. Al Bundy is a hero.

    This thread is starting to remind me of the tanking for an 'inknown commodity' days (please don't bump it: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/i-hope-we-will-lose-it-all-this-season.105160/)
     
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