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Rex Tillerson - Saudi Arabia's inhumane actions

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Brown Lost It, Jun 9, 2017.

  1. Brown Lost It

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    Are we just let Israel commit genocide? this list of demands is insane. they want to shut down Quatars biggest news corporation, Al Jazeera, the only news agency to report about the mass bombings and chemical warfare done to the Palestinians and Syrians. what happened to free speech?

    it comes down to this, do you want to watch one race end another. if you do then support trump, israel and saudi. the rest of the world does not want this, but nobody will stand up to the money and power these countries have.

    israel is setting up for a genocide of the palestinian people. if they do this there will be more bombings all over the world. people cant live in a world and watch what is about to go down.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Where did you get "Israel committing genocide" out of this? Also, what does "freedom of speech" have to do with anything international? Your "freedoms" are only granted to you by whatever state you live in and they vary from place to place, they are not universal.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Bobby, you should think beyond checkers. Think pragmatically. Free and open societies around the globe increases the likely hood of a safer planet with more trading partners and more $$.

    I mean , we love capitalism right?
     
  4. A_3PO

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    Political expression in the Arab world? What a joke. The U.S. just gave $110 billion in weapons to a regime that doesn't allow any.

    It would be nice if Pres Trash hadn't knee-jerked when this first started before someone finally explained to him how important Qatar is to the United States.
     
  5. Brown Lost It

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    i will post some links when i get home, but why would saudi want to shut down aljazeera? that is so shady
     
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    It's because they love free expression so much.

    Shady? You are too kind.
     
  7. Exiled

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    It's more complicated than just a siege on Qatar, as despicable as it is .

    Trump came to the region with the following : Drop supports to Hamas/MB or...

    1- American embassy would relocate to Jerusalem
    2-no support to over thrown Assad from Syria
    3-Israel's useful idiot in Iran backed by Russia will come after you

    Qatar had done a few things I personally did't like ,like engaging in Qaddafi removal, having good relation with both Iran and Israel etc , but they were completely right about not approving Egyptian military coup and providing significant support to Hamas ,not like if Hamas are angles but when the choice is limited between Hamas vs. Israel , its easy to side with the first

    I think the Saudi should sway away from policies that aim to strengthen and normalize Israel in the region, once they're used as acard in this game affair,they will become obsolete like Saddam
     
  8. Brown Lost It

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    how can one country censor another? that is some dark age **** right there.

    quatar is the only country to aid palestine when they were bombing the **** of them and their prince spent $400 million on the reconstruction afterwards. al jazeera is a global media leader. saudi exiling Quatar from the rest of the gulf with these crazy demands screams some **** is about to go down against the palestinians and syrians. israel always tried to attack palestine during Ramadan and this time they are planning genocide.

    saudi plans to buy the sinai peninsula from egypt and throw the palestinians in the desert. once this happens palestinians will have two options, get bombed by israel or leave palestine to die in the desert.
     
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    Quatars need to be stopped at all costs -- even the cool memorial ones.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Well it's fairly easy for one country to censor another....I'm not sure why you'd be surprised by that. Many countries influence other countries by saying essentially "if you want X then you have to do Y". When you are a country like Qatar that gets 80% of their food imports from your neighbors and basically cannot exist without them, you pretty much have to do what your neighbors want. Call it censorship if you want, but when you aren't a fully independent nation, you are going to have other nations tell you what to do.

    You can list what you think are good things the country has done but it's a fact that they have provided funding, support, and safe haven for terrorist organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, and the Taliban. No matter what you think they might have done in the past that is acceptable, funding terrorism is simply not acceptable and it's a good thing for their neighbors to force them to stop doing so. Also this is the second time you've accused Israel of planning "genocide" without any support for that conspiracy theory.

    This is yet another conspiracy theory you are pushing here but when the first one, that this was all Israel setting up for a genocide of the Palestinian people, was questioned you didn't even address it.....you are coming across as someone wearing a tin foil hat right now and it's pretty odd.
     
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  11. Brown Lost It

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    israel supports trump and ever since his deal with saudi, saudi has been trying to exile the only country in the gulf with this crazy list of demands or else. no country has the right to tell another you cant report the news. huge red flag. explain why they could possibly want this.

    all they did was help rebuild Palestine and give food when israel set up a blockade from the rest of the world. in this day and age palestine is not allowed to have an army I get it. Any army they have is automatically considered terrorists. every other country in the world can have their own army except for Palestine. israel can keep bombing the **** out of them, but they are not allowed to have one AK-47. a rock is considered too much.

    answer me this question, is the country of Palestine allowed to have an army?

    Israel is setting up for the destruction of Syria and Palestine. They will threaten the Palestinians once they start killing them with no warning. The Palestinians will have one option, go to the desert in Egypt or be bombed with no one to cover whats going on. it's not hard to put it together once you realize they want to shut down the only company reporing the news over there and saudi is trying to buy the sinai desert from egypt for the palestinians.

    not only does Israel want to control every major news network in the world. They want to shut down anyone that reports something they don't like.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    You do realize that it's not just Saudi right? It's pretty much all of Qatar's neighbors and yes, they are demanding that they stop supporting terrorism....I guess that counts as a "crazy demand" from a certain perspective.

    Also, every country have every right to make any demand they want of another nation especially when it is a scenario where the country they are demanding things from are completely dependent on them to supply them with food so that they can survive in the first place.....and even more so when the demand is that they stop supporting terrorism. Do I really have to explain why they'd want them to stop supporting terrorism?

    When you elect a terrorist organization to run your country, you get different rules. No one made the Palestinian people elect a terrorist government, they have only themselves to blame. When you elect a terrorist government, it is supporting terrorism for other countries to help you.....you know, it's why you don't elect a terrorist government.

    Palestine isn't a country, in fact, it has never been a country. In order for it to be a country it must have a defined territory with internationally accepted borders and an established government that effectively runs that territory, that isn't the case and has never been the case.

    Of course that doesn't answer your question. If Palestine was a country, I'd be all for them having an Army.....of course it wouldn't be a good thing for them because they are such stupid people (based on past events) that the first thing they'd do is attack Israel leading to that Army being crushed and more of their territory taken away. That said, if they were an actual country, it would mean that they no longer had a terrorist government so maybe in that scenario they'd be smart enough to not attack their neighbors....but we've yet to see evidence of that.

    That's an interesting conspiracy theory, but if Israel really wants to crush the Palestinian people, why haven't they done it already? They certainly have the military might to do it...I mean if those Jews really have horns like you believe, why wouldn't they have completely pushed the Palestinians out? Why wouldn't they have already conquered Syria? There's not a military in the region that could stop them, so why haven't they already done the things you are accusing them of planning?

    Also, it's kind of weird that you go off on a tangent talking about Israel due to 6 or 7 Arab countries denouncing Qatar for supporting terrorism. Just an odd choice. Is the conspiracy theory that Israel is working with Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen in order to commit genocide on the Palestinian people (which they could have done at literally any point in the last 40 years if they had wanted to) and to conquer Syria? Is that what Al Jazeera is telling you? If so, maybe I understand why those countries are against the network.
     
  13. Brown Lost It

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    OK it sounds like you think all Palestinians are terrorists so they dont deserve an army, got it. you think the country shouldn't exist, interesting. I wonder which side you're on. no Jewish women would never look in your direction and they are the biggest racists on the planet.
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    Not what I said at all, I said that they elected a terrorist government and that they aren't a country.....because they aren't a country and they did elect a terrorist government. They also have a history of attacking their neighbors which is why I said it probably wouldn't go very well if they were an actual country with an Army.

    As to what "side" I'm on, I'm not on anyone's side. I'm not an Arab, I'm not a Jew. Now in the past I've dated Jews and I've dated Arabs....but I don't personally have a "side" in the conflict which is why I'm not taking sides, I'm just stating things as they are for better or worse.

    Again though, you just ignored everything I said of substance and instead went off on a tangent about Jewish women.....which wasn't at all what we were talking about. Do you care to address any of what I said above or are you going to simply try and change the subject now that you've been called on your conspiracy theory nonsene?

    Since you think it is unfair of Qatar's neighbors forcing them to stop being a state sponsor of terrorism, can you explain why that is unfair? Can you explain why you think Qatar should continue supporting and sponsoring terrorism?
     
  15. Brown Lost It

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    you lied and said every country was against them, they are not. Most of them are neutral and dont want to get on anyones (saudi) bad side.

    you said palestine is not a country, that is some racist ****. you ignore all of the bombs that israel drops over Palestine. I don't believe much of what you said because you already so blatantly lied.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

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    When I listed the 6 countries that are involved in the embargo of Qatar it wasn't a lie, it is simply a fact.

    When I said that Palestine is not a country, it wasn't "racist", it's just stating a fact.

    Right now you are coming across as an unhinged conspiracy theorist as you make wild accusations and accuse facts as being "racist" or lies.....it's not a good look.
     
  17. Brown Lost It

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    how many countries do you think Saudi Arabia went to with a deal to cut ties with Qatar? many of them remain neutral until today or said no, because they know the truth.

    my question to you is how many Palestinians do you think are terrorists? If there are two Palestinians is one of them a terrorist. what is the percentage?
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    So you are doubling down that it's just Saudi Arabia being mean to Qatar for being a state sponsor of terrorism and the rest of the countries involved in the embargo really don't mind that Qatar is a state sponsor of terrorism?

    Fair enough I guess, how about answer the questions I asked you previously. I asked that since you think it is unfair of Qatar's neighbors forcing them to stop being a state sponsor of terrorism, can you explain why that is unfair? Can you explain why you think Qatar should continue supporting and sponsoring terrorism?

    As to your questions, I think that enough Palestinians are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers to where they elected a terrorist organization to act as their government. You know, kind of how I'd feel about a southern state if they literally elected the KKK to be their government. So in short, I'm not sure what the numbers are, but it's clear that they are WAY too high right now. If they weren't, they wouldn't have elected a terrorist government and there's really no way to defend that.
     
  19. Brown Lost It

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    can you give a percentage? It's easy ....1 to 10%, 70 to 90%, how many?
     
  20. Amiga

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    @Brown Lost It , you are arguing a guy that said it's perfectly fine to kill a million Palestinian babies as collective punishment for the actions of some.
     

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