Other than Harden, which player has highest draft pick trade value?

i agree that Beverly's value is probably a lotto pick (though probably more likely in the 10-14 range)

 

I don't think you're saying anything differently than me?? Teams with high(er) picks, this year, likely don't need Capela and wouldn't therefor trade those picks for him.

Meanwhile the Rockets won't trade him for lower picks.

So I'm happy if you want to conclude that he has no draft pick value, because there is no feasible trade scenario whereby it would happen??

I disagree about Capela's value, though. To me, he's their most untradeable asset, even ahead of Harden. Precisely because of these value arguments. Harden would get you a fortune, and Capela would fit in well in the rebuild. Conversely you try and continue to rebuild around this core, and Capela fits in perfectly, from both talent, improvement potential, salary perspective. You can't trade Capela for the picks you want. So there's no trade there.

I mean in reality Harden is more untradeable because Les will never trade him. But I think you get my drift.

Certainly there's the possibility another team forces you to trade Capela to accomplish some other move -eg create cap space or something. Do you move Capela if in return you ultimately get a Blake Griffin or Gordon Hayward? Obviously the answer is yes... but it should be noted in those cases you REALLY REALLY have a hole defensively and with big men.

 

You folks overrate Capela's trade value

He's a good young player but he only has one year left in his rookie deal. Teams that want him would just wait to try in RFA. He's a system player as of right now too.

Gordon is on a great value deal and has proven he can carry an offense even more so than Williams. He has the highest trade value.

 

Point somewhat noted.

Capela obviously isn't DJ, Draymond or the like out there yet.

But where he struggles the most defensively is in man on man stuff against the bigger, bulkier centers out there. But he's become a very solid paint defender otherwise.

The playoffs highlighted this. Overall solid defense, but struggled more against the Thunder bigs than the Spurs.

The Rockets defensive problems don't come close to starting with Clint. Gave up a lot of points and high efficiency in the paint?? Well yeah, they were 5th from last in transition defense/points given up, and then it's typically an open sieve on the way to the basket. It certainly doesn't help that your PF rotation consists of Ryan Anderson and a bunch of SFs.

Clint has a lot of room for improvement, but you move him, you are absolutely becoming even worse in the defense, rebounding, bigs department.

 

Considering the value of our players, it's astounding that we had the third best record in the league.

We may have a system that guarantees excitement and lots of regular-season wins, but we won't truly challenge for a title until we get some better talent in here.

 

Yeah, but Capela played well defensively against the Spurs.

The Rockets defense sucks when they are turning the ball over a lot, not team rebounding, etc. That's not principally on Capela.

Would it be better to have a better defensive center? Sure. How is that going to happen?

And wouldn't it be better to have a MUCH better PF and a better SF rotation way ahead of needing a better center? Ryan Anderson was completely useless in the playoffs. Sucked offensively. Sucked defensively. Sucked overall.

The Capela nice contract ride is about to end, but it is at least still true for 1 more year. I just don't see the point in expending a ton of effort on the center position, when it is perhaps the position on the roster that currently gives you the most bang for the buck.

 

It's sad times that our 2nd most valuable asset is worth around a 10-14 pick this year while almost all other teams have much greater players/picks.

 

Based on... supremely subjective fan commentary.

 

Yeah... I get, now, that you are really high on Bell. I'm not so high. But even if I was... no way I'd trade Capela to make room for Bell. nbadraft.net has him at #28. Draftexpress has him at 35. Chad Ford doesn't have him in the first round in his mock 6.0 out today.

Don't get me wrong... I think Bell does indeed have the type of defensive "knack" that can make for special defensive players. But man it takes HOF level knack for it to really translate when you are talking about a guy who is very undersized and has no offensive skill-set in today's nba. he could still suck defensively at the next level just because of the size disadvantage. I think he will find a niche, but again i'm not replacing Capela with him right now. Find a way to draft him, see the upside, and trade Capela mid season if its all great with Bell like that.

Even still, I'd rather draft a sleeper potential at the SF/PF position, as that's by far the biggest area of need on the team. I'm super impressed with Semi Ojeleye. I think the guy can be a VERY interesting SF that can sometimes play PF in a Shawn Marion mold in this system. He's about an inch shorter than Marion but has a similar max vertical at 40.5 inch (I think Marion was at like 41') - better for example than Jordan Bell. And he's got 21 pounds on Marion coming out of college. And he shoots 42% from three on 5 a game.

 

Better rebounder? Nope. At best Bell could hope to be as good as Capela, nothing shows he will be better at the next level. Stronger? Bell weighed 224 at the combine, Capela is currently 250+ and stronger. The case could be made for rookie Capela but he was 2.5 years younger then Bell at that time.

Bell doesn't have the length that Capela does. He's 6'7 barefoot, a 6'11 wingspan, 8'8 standing reach and only 224 pounds at 22.4 years old.

Capela is 6'9.5 barefoot, 7'4 wingspan, 9'2 standing reach and weighed 250 before the seasons started when he was only 22.3 years old. Significantly longer and stronger currently. And most consider Capela a small center.

Shot blocking doesn't always translate so smoothly, sometimes is does but most of he time it takes a little dip for big time college shot blockers. We will see who's better.

I'll give you he's faster, but he is smaller. He's also just as offensively inept as Capela.

Can't say he's better then Capela because he hasn't played a single NBA game. Bell's caught in a bad position being forced to play undersized at center due to his lack of a jumper. I'm guessing you know this and it's why you suggested trading for Brook Lopez the other day. He either has to play C or develop a shot. If he doesn't develop a shot he'd have to play next a 3pt shooting bigman who can actually defend centers or else the spacing would be dead.

 

Those are measurements.

If you used your eye test, you would have saw how Capela changed/blocked a lot of shots. I think the biggest problem on our defensive end is our perimeter/paint defense from our PF rotation, from Harden and Lou in the backcourt. The lack of defensive rebounding from the PF position also kills us in the paint.

Howard wasn't good enough to save our defense last year, and Capela couldn't save it this year. It's the other pieces that kill the defense.