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Trump Expected to Pull Out of Paris Climate Agreement

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dobro1229, May 31, 2017.

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  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Remind me of our military spending, remind me of how it compares to our peers?

    You conservatives have no credibility complaining about costs and taxation until the lot of you got your panties in a wad over the costs of military spending and military intervention. No credibility until the lot of you sign that statement of declaration.

    Conservatives have zero legs to stand on when it comes to cost and taxation, zero until you stop being hypocrites.
     
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  2. okierock

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    No one has ever argued that climate isn't changing, just like no one has ever argued that the sun doesn't rise in the east and set in the west.
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm sure someone has at some point, but that's not relevant because this thread is specifically about the US pulling out of one non binding agreement that wasn't really going to accomplish anything anyway, it's not about climate change being real, fake, controllable, uncontrollable or anything else.
     
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  4. okierock

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    The government may pay too much for guns but at least when we pay for one we get one. In the case of the Paris Climate Agreement we pay for ? and get ?.

    I have a couple of really nice ? they are environmentally friendly, if you would like them I'll be happy to take ? from your income for the next ?....
     
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  5. okierock

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    True.

    I find it interesting that nobody cares that this agreement was non-binding, if it had been, congress would have had to vote on it. Basically Obama agreed to something without the consent of the US and Trump is stating that he is not responsible for Obama's agreement. Really no big deal IMO.
     
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    Well....... now the studies and sources Trump relied upon for his position are coming out and saying he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

    I am sure we will get a tweet in response at midnight tonight.... maybe he will misspell a word and claim it is another new word.
     
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  7. dobro1229

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    If 98% of people agree that one particular action is a responsible action, the 1 or 2% shouldn't "jump off the bridge" so to speak, but there is high likelihood that there is a pretty darn good reason that 98% of people/entities made that decision that the 2% should take into account.

    When our mothers made this analogy back in grade school they were referring about how "everyone else is getting their ears pierced" or "everyone else was skipping the last period of school". Your mother would never say "if everyone jumped off the bridge" if you said "Everyone else was doing their homework, so I did mine too" or "Everyone was eating their vegetables, so I ate mine too."

    These juvenile analogies are being used in cases like this to TRY and remove logic & reason into the decision making process & encourage rebellious behavior. The whole point of what your mother was trying to get at wasn't to say go against the grain and be a rebel... it was to look at the decision you make, and use logic, reason, and wisdom to make the best decision rather than just being a brainless minion who follows the sheep off of the cliff.

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    Getting out of the Paris deal screams of the opposite of what your mother was trying to convey to you when you skipped school. No matter what you say to defend your decision to support and Trumps decision to leave the agreement, we all know that the decision was made because Obama's & Paris' name is attached to it, and its an act of rebellion rather than an act of logic & reason. Again.... if it trolls Liberals, and Obama, you're all in. That's rebellious behavior that is removing logic & reason.

    Because Logic & Reason would lead you to actually understanding that the agreement allows us to adjust our targets if we feel the Obama targets were too constrictive to our ability to pollute, adjust accordingly and stay in the global leadership position rather than giving that position to China and India. Logic & Reason would tell you that there are thousands more clean power jobs in the US now than there are coal, and there is increased demand for clean energy & fuel efficiency that our country needs to be leading in. Not signaling to our companies that we want to regress back into 20th century technology.

    So yeah... what this lesson your mother was trying to teach you back in grade school.. you sort of missed the point.
     
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  8. dmoneybangbang

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    Oh yea..... Remind me of what we got in our spoils of war over the last 60 years to make up paying for those expensive guns.....

    In the case of the Paris agreement, developed countries would pay an actual yet to be determined amount to invest in developing countries in order to reduce emissions, whether that is less polluting energy sources or energy efficiency. The hope is that through subsequent climate agreements, technological collaboration, and technological innovation significant progress can be made.

    Again..... you and your ilk cry more about spending money on clean energy than spending the money to send an army overseas, bomb a country, and then rebuild that country..... Priorities.... priorities... priorities....
     
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    Pruitt! MAGA!

     
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  10. dmoneybangbang

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    I think you speak for yourself there or perhaps you are being intentionally obtuse.

    I'm just pointing out the evolving anti-AGW behavior.... first they denied it was happening and now they say we can't do anything about it anyways and mock people who aren't environmental enough.
     
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    I have no problem spending money on clean energy. I have a problem with government funding innovation of any kind because they have been a notoriously epic fail at it. I also have a problem with our agreeing to anything where we are expected to do significantly more than the other parties in the agreement, especially when we are already doing significantly more than the other parties.

    FWIW If you pay taxes you are spending money on clean energy... Whew, I can get that off my conscience.
     
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    Interestingly Rick Perry and Tellerson were actually on the MAGA side, not Pruitt. Perry saw first hand how renewable energy in Texas created jobs and they both see the potential of natural gas in lowering emissions and creating jobs. Pruitt and those like him have no vision, which is pretty amazing considering Rick Perry and Tellerson are both more like Jeff Bezos with the longterm view.

    Now go on and continue to ignore me as my knowledge bombs are hard to handle.
     
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    CO2 is a greenhouse gas that has an impact on our climate... that is a fact. Our climate is in a constant state of change... that is a fact. What and how great the impact of rising CO2 levels is has never been proven nor agreed on by anyone.

    CO2 is impacting our climate and nobody knows how or how much but there sure are a lot of people that want to use this as a call to empower the government to impose regulations and control on people. I'm not one of those people.
     
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    That is a false equivalency. This is closer towards highlighting hypocrisy.
     
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  18. dmoneybangbang

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    The boogeyman is that your taxes will help clean energy in some other country!!1!!!1 Which, I say what's the big deal? Our tax money has been used to bomb and rebuild countries for the last 60 years.
     
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  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Control people by controlling emissions and possibly putting a price on pollution so people have a more accurate picture of their choices and the consequences?

    I hear they are teaching kids to respect and love the planet!!1111! It's mind control bro!
     
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