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Trump Expected to Pull Out of Paris Climate Agreement

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dobro1229, May 31, 2017.

  1. sirbaihu

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    Did you see in his Rose Garden announcement: when he announces the U.S. will withdraw, people applaud, and Trump actually says "Thank you." WTF is he saying "thank you" for? Ego stroking?
     
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    Screw my great grandchildren. What have they ever done for me?
     
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    In support of Trump, Cruz will make tweet.
     
  5. Exiled

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    there should be no cacophonic arguments over Climate Changes ,but there's a lot to be said over this Agreement ,any person familiar with EPA04,07 vs Euro4,5 will know the US will be the only nation to do the heavy lifting
     
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    Yep. Killing two birds with one stone.
     
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    I think that's absolutely what the discussion should be about, the actual agreement, not climate change or smog. That's the BS that people who don't want to talk about the actual issue bring up to muddy the water. I was hoping to get some discussion centered around the actual agreement but that seems to have been expecting too much. Instead we get unrelated political cartoons, unrelated pictures of smog, and talk of great grandchildren.
     
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    US would become the global hegemon once again..overnight..if we developed viable alternatives to oil consumption and reliance on fossil fuels as a whole. This should be about as bi-partisan of an issue as one could comprehend. It inexplicably isn't...
     
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    Like many things, it's a question of how something is accomplished, implemented, or paid for more so than if it should be done. The goal of developing alternative sources of fuel is essentially shared by all, but the disagreement comes when we discuss how that is to be funded and brought about. Obama and some others on the left are of the opinion that we should skyrocket energy prices to the point where alternative sources of energy could compete immediately with fossil fuels in order to help develop those alternatives and ensure that they are funded enough to quickly develop....which sounds great if you can afford to have your energy prices skyrocket and not so great if you are poor. Others think that we should keep energy prices as cheap as possible while developing that technology and when it is developed to the point where it is reliable and affordable, you make the change.

    And that's just 2 of the different opinions on the subject, there's plenty more.
     
  10. Jayzers_100

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    its just difficult to innovate when the government is resisting change and bailing out ancient fuel methods. I firmly believe that I continue to put gasoline into my car 2017 and continue to witness a United States economy that struggles to keep up with Asian markets because of the Big Oil lobby. I could be misguided but it's just baffling that we haven't innovated automotive fuels all that much in the past century
     
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    People are arguing over the economics

    What about the degradation of America's air, water and land from pollution? What about the American peoples health?

    Such a slap in the face to the American people, the claim that this is for the people, as well as many other decisions from this president and his cabinet is a really sad joke.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    It's really not. Innovation has never really been dependent on the government pushing new technology and artificially inflating the price of old technology. If a new technology is good, it'll take over, that's just how it works. Personally I think once the technology gets there we'll see more electric vehicles and more "green" production of energy....it's just not there yet and that's why you still put gasoline in your car.
     
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    Bonjour from Paris. I have to LOL at Manny Macron's trolling of Trump. First it was him asking American renewable energy entrepreneurs to move to France (just LOL at this idea...), then it was his handshake "event" with Trump, and now "make the planet great again". He knows that everybody in Europe hates Trump, so he can generate some popularity by trolling him.

    Politicians in Europe are milking this for all it's worth, and I can't blame them....but the Paris agreement is not the only path to improving the environment. Europe stands to benefit the most from this push, as they are a resource-poor continent. Let them have their outrage, meanwhile the innovation will probably still come from the US private sector.
     
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    These Asian markets you admire (Japan, South Korea, China and Taiwan) get the vast majority of their energy from coal, oil and natural gas.

    Have you looked at a 1900s engine with a modern engine?
     
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    Is it your position we can't regulate for these things if we pull out of Paris agreement?
     
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    The left has become completely hysterical over this. Pure comedy.
     
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    Can't? No not can't.

    That being said, the president and his cabinet, whom don't believe climate change is real, who trashed the EPA, cut regulations that protect the enviorment, just pulled out of an agreement which sole purpose is to lower carbon emissions/keep climate change in control... are the ones you trust will regulate these things?

    If it isn't obvious by now, I don't know when it will be. The president isn't making decisions in the best interest of the people, it's for large businesses. This one if for the energy industry.
     
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    I expect him to navigate regulating environmental issues while keeping in mind the economic cost of these regulations. This was going to cost American families probably around $1K a year. That's not insignificant and nobody actually thinks this would of solved anything. As far as 'climate change is not real', that's such vague nonsense. Different people in the administration disagree on the amount humans effect the climate and they disagree on ability we have to curtail this effect. Just like everyone else.

    then why are all the lefties on this board posting tweets from big businesses announcing their disgust. This can go both ways. 'Obama just passed this agreement to benefit his buddies in the energy business like Elon Musk' . See how that works?
     
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