[Insanity] ALT-RIGHT has taken over Debate & Discussion

Covfefe? Jesus, I don't even know what that means and yet it's taking off. Republicans are damn good at slogans and buzzwords.

 

I think I've heard Hope and Change from opposition to Obama more than I've heard it from his supporters. Hope and Change was a professionally developed marketing slogan that became ubiquitous because it was printed on campaign materials. It's not like liberals were saying Hope and Change to each other at rallies or something. It really only gained currency with sarcastic Obama detractors. Even so, I do agree with you that liberals have their own fair share of shorthand catch phrases. I'd suggest "the 1 percent", "no justice, no peace", "it takes a village", "affirmative action", "social justice", "the party of no", "black lives matter". I don't see the problem though. People use short-hands and catch-phrases in all facets of life to make complicated ideas portable. You wouldn't get very far advocating for fair policing for minorities if you have to relitigate the claim black lives matter at every rally, or explain again what social justice is. Same with MAGA. People who agree already have some level of understanding, so you can assume that with the short-hand and move on to other things.

 

There's a difference between short hand, like using esoteric language, and muddling the meaning all together. What does MAGA actually mean? I'm not sure, but my experience with it is laced in racist undertones and class warfare to give more power to the rich. Is that actually what it stands for? Is that what a republican thinks when he or she hears that? Hence the problem with bumper sticker slogans. Something gets lost in the phrase and people lose sight of what they are actually arguing for in the first place.

 

Make America Great Again XVI

 

Code word in Russia, means "I am still on board".

 

I agree. That's a bit of the seedy underbelly of political catch phrases (and dog whistles, to evoke another annoying liberal catch phrase). I understand MAGA to mean: We were once a great and powerful nation but we've allowed our magnanimity to bring us low with overregulation, with coddling of the lazy and entitled, with unwarranted generosity to foreigners, with playing moral police to the world, and with bending the rules of capitalism to accommodate the people who don't get it; but now we're going to regain our greatness by reversing all the stupid crap we'd done before that was encumbering our ability to win -- stop regulatory oversight of businesses, stop the social safety net, stop taxing the rich, stop trying to make amends for slavery and Jim Crow, stop protecting human rights, stop immigration, stop foreign aid, stop reproaching useful but evil dictators; fight to win. When you can say all that in a pithy short-hand, you don't have to confront people with the moral ambiguities of your proposition. Like all things, I think we use these vehicles for evil purposes, but it is oh natural to us anyway. I once worked at a company where we had a consultant come in to help us with price optimization. Price optimization is increasing the prices for people who are too dumb to leave for a competitor. But, employees have less trouble executing on the strategy when you call it price optimization.

 

That's the evil of catchphrases, in a way we see what we want to out of them. We call it sausage, but what is really is is meat paste in intestines. I think as a country, we're slowly forgetting how sausage is made because we feel too comforted by the name.

 

Double post!

 

I find it fascinating that Mr. trump's favorite phrase is, "Make America Great Again," a phrase that is so beloved by his supporters, both those supporters who openly say they voted for the man, and those supporters who did, in my opinion, but claim that they didn't. Why do I find it fascinating? Since trump has taken office, he has done everything he can possibly manage to do to **** America Up. He's working very hard at it.

In summation, Mr. trump's real slogan, the one he babbles to himself when he finds time to inhabit the Oval Office, is **** America Up!

Mr. trump's supporters are carrying trump's water, ardently working to FAU!

 

***K America Up was the real slogan from many, many people who said to voted for Trump, or say they aren't Trump fans but we know they voted for him anyways. MAGA... I think that was a separate agenda with a separate core where a portion of the older population have a vision of family in America and that portrait is very much Leave It To Beaver whitewashing traditions. These are people like my conservative parents who think voting democrat means you are going to hell because liberals murder babies. Trump played to that base just as much as the FAU crowd if not more at times.

The FAU crowd prefaced it as, I see corruption in American politics, and we see Trump as a chaos agent to shake things up and blow the whole thing up. Their thinking was, it couldn't get any worse, its not working for me the little guy, and what do I have to lose.

We have to remember this when we are asking ourselves why his fans and passive fans celebrate things like getting out of the Paris Agreement. They somehow got to a place that was so cynical & apathetic that they literally think we are better off as an anarchist society without institutions. The MAGA crowd... you and I will never understand them like we will the FAU crowd. They are longing for a world that just doesn't exist anymore and even when it did exist back in the day, it was always a façade.

How we got to this point as a society, I have no idea.

 

Can someone provide a list of these so called alt righters?

 

What you've done is compared descriptive terms with intentionally made up bullcrap that subverts an issue. There are right wing descriptive terms like right to life, personal responsibility, strict constitutionalist, and such. Then there's things that I'm discussing like estate tax becoming a death tax or tax cuts becoming tax relief or flat tax becoming a fair tax. You've just thrown all terms into the same boat when in fact they're not the same.

 

Good post. I agree with you for the most part. Both sides have catch phrases but I do not think they have much to do with who wins elections which is what the people I was replying to were implying. In the end it comes down to the candidate. As bad is Trump is, and I admit he is bad, more voters in key states thought he was better than Hillary. I see no way Trump would have won against a better candidate.

 

Not sure if I made your "ignore list" you brag about (I actually hope I have) but your post is utter bullcrap. I did vote for Trump and have NEVER denied it but as much as I disliked him, I thought he was a 100X better than the alternative. That being said, you completely ignore that half the country has a different opinion than yours. Half the country thinks Obama did everything he could to f*** the country. I am part of this group. You probably think I am crazy but I promise that people like me think people like you are 100% batcrap crazy. Now we can go back and forth about faux news and never get anywhere because we both believe the other side is out to destroy the country. I do respect that you and others like you(FranchiseBlade, Sweet Lou, Cometswin, etc...) have a different opinion than mine but since none of you care about my opinion, I give you all the same respect.

 

From what I've seen, Deckard blocks pretty much anyone who disagrees with him in just about any way so we can pretty much guarantee that you are on his ignore list. He can't stand to see differing opinions on any topic and just wants an echo chamber to agree with him. It's sad, but that's just how some people are and it's how they get so out of touch from reality.

 

CW, you live in your own little world.

 

Agree 100%!

 

I used to have respect for Deckard but it seems he's lost his mind over the last year. His posts have become completely irrational and full of fantasy. He has much pent up anger against anyone who disagrees with him. Glynch and Sweet Lou both live in their own fantasy land, but Deckard takes it to a whole new level. I honestly feel bad for the guy.

 

It is sad that they believe the echo chamber they surround themselves in without looking at both sides. I truly laugh when they point to anything the right says as "fake news" while ignorantly living in their echo chamber. So many of them will be so disappointed(maybe suicidal) when Trump is not impeached when the truth comes out about the Russians.