[Obstruction of Justice] Trump asked Comey to end Flynn investigation

Don't forget, Hillary Clinton gave the Russkies uranium. Breitbart assures me this is true. It's TheDagger's white whale of truthifiction.

 

Lol the deep state nonsense. Every repug is turning into a Alex Jones

 

Agreed... while I may disagree with many of Ryan's positions, I don't find him offensive (though the latest story on him and McCarthy does make one pause).

 

I'm repeating myself, but only because you're repeating yourself. According to this memo, Trump asked Comey -- “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go.” I don't want to parse words and whatnot, but it sounds like Trump took a soft leverage approach instead of trying to order Comey. So that testimony doesn't surprise me. And, by itself is pretty weaksauce for calling obstruction of justice. Retaliating against Comey by firing him because he refused to take the hint and drop the investigation -- that's the thing that is obstruction. It's like if Trump asked his secretary out for dinner and she declined, but she didn't feel sexually harassed because he did it in a classy and gentlemanly way. At the end of the day, HR asks her if she's ever been subject to harassment and she says no. But the next day, she's fired with a bullshit excuse. Was she the victim of sexual harassment when she was asked out? Or when she was retaliated against for saying no?

 

This should be a sticky

 

Did Comey commit a crime by not notifying the DOJ of Trump's Obstruction talk?

 

It wasn't "the next day" it was several months later.....that's the part people keep skimming over.

 

he absolutely did; now that we got that out of the way, we can say Trump is clean.

 

I dunno. You don't want to parse words then spend the rest of your response "parsing words".

Under oath...only 2 weeks ago...Comey said the following.

Maybe more evidence will come out later. But that statement seems to quash for now any belief anyone attempted to "Obstruct Justice" by ending the investigation. I mean his statement is pretty blunt and to the point. And it would be the end of the story if the person in question was named anything other than Donald Trump.

Sure, if you're pre-disposed to believe Trump is guilty I could see that being easy to believe (even though its been over a week and Comey has not claimed anything of the sort).

Then again, if you are of the type pre-disposed to believe the President, it could be explained away as a disgruntled former FBI director who doesn't like the current President, lost the job he coveted and decided to retaliate against the President that fired him by leaking "notes" through an anonymous source.

 

whats even more hilarious is how they deflect Trumps misdoings by instead going after Comey for not reporting Trump misdoings.

 

It's a republican talking point.

Another talking point is that there is no evidence that anything wrong has been done, so why investigate.

 

I don't think it's a "talking point" to point out that there's yet to be any evidence of wrongdoing, and I don't think anyone is saying not to investigate. It's just stating a fact. People can investigate all they want, but until some actual evidence surfaces, it's hard to take calls for impeachment seriously.

 

I think it's their reality distortion and they don't even see it. In their minds, they are totally logical and reasonable and it's us that are crazy and irrational. It's like when you point out the inconsistencies they can't compute it so they just ignore it. The amount of twisting and turning they do - they amount of rationalization they make to justify their stance is as comical as it is maddening. '

One thing I've witnessed in my years in D&D - logic does not prevail.

 

Trump has been in over his head from the start...

Read the rest at the link. Comey is going to bury this schlub.

 

Oh yeah? He's going to "bury" him? How? By Comey testifying that he previously perjured himself? Again, unless some legitimate evidence comes out, you shouldn't get too excited about what right now amounts to liberal fantasy.

 

Yeah, that is what they said about Archibald and Nixon too.

DD

 

I've been thinking about trolling social media with a fake Obama FBI loyalty pledge...I feel like it would be all the rage today

 

That's what the construct "I don't want to but..." means.

Do you disagree with my characterization though of Comey's memo that it doesn't say he was flat-out ordered to stop, but that he got something more like a veiled threat (the uncharitable version) or a humble request or collegial advice (the more charitable versions)? His testimony likewise says he wasn't ordered to stop. I don't see the problem with that testimony. His critics want to say the "right" thing for Comey to have done is to bring accusations of obstruction against the president despite there being a lot of ambiguity and plausible deniability, and thereby damage the progress and the credibility of the larger investigation. That's not realistic; the FBI is playing for bigger stakes. Did he perjure himself? It doesn't look like it to me.

But, you're right I'm assuming he really did fire Comey over the Russian investigation, which isn't proven. And certainly I also agree with the characterization that Comey is retaliating against Trump by leaking (or maybe some other disgruntled FBI employee is retaliating). Of course, I understand the memo wasn't classified so it's not really a "leak." But, yeah, damaging and retaliatory. I hope and expect this is all preamble though. I don't want an impeachment on retaliation against Comey. I want any impeachment to be based on collusion with Russia, if it can be proved.

 

Comey is fully engaging in liberal fantasy? LMAO. You are on a roll today!