[WaPo] Trump Revealed Highly Classified Information to Russian Foreign Minister and Ambassador

Israeli Official: Trump Sharing Intelligence With Russia Is "Worst Fears Confirmed"

But who knows, it's probably just third-hand information. We can't know anything about what's going on if we don't have a tape!

 

not to derail, but sounds like this was why US and UK started to ban these devices on plane... add them up and you can come up with what the capabilities was

EDIT: and potential sources...

 

RIP that US informant.

 

Well, assuming that's all very true, that's just fking great.

 

Fair enough.

I wasn't a big fan of Hillary. But Trump was the worse of two evils for me.

Yes Obama, Romney, Mccain, hell anyone would be better than Trump.

 

LMAO

 

Not really kiddo, I don't personally care one way or the other, I've never been a Trump supporter but I don't have that blind hatred that so many on the left seem to. This seems like yet another fake scandal and I've yet to see any evidence suggesting otherwise. What I mean by that is that it doesn't appear as if anything inappropriate happened.....other than members of the previous administration trying to score political points by leaking rumors to the media and making strong allegations that have yet to be substantiated. So far that's the only wrongdoing that has surfaced in relation to this story.

I think what it came down to for me was that I was tired of endorsing an evil with my vote. I'm not sure I'll vote again unless I have someone I can actually vote for without merely thinking that they are merely the lesser of 2 evils.

 

To your specific criticisms, they are (mostly) valid. But its no different than what occurred during Obama's terms. The only difference being the criticisms you espouse weren't being directed at Obama supporters (at least not that I saw here...you can correct me if you can point to a similar post you made in the past).

The thing that anti-Trump folks seem unable to grasp is this...Trump voters identify with him because long before Trump was ever under siege from the left (and the mainstream media), they were too (i.e. their values and beliefs). Even those who didn't like Trump all that much in the beginning but voted for him over Clinton as the better of 2 bad choices are now rallying to his defense because as concerning as Trump's actions have been, they are FAR MORE CONCERNED with being marginalized by the left and their sycophants in the popular media, hollywood, elites. And they have good reason to be.

In other words, if you are part of the population who bashes Trump you are seen as the bigger threat to THEM than Trump ever could be. Like it or not, that's just the way it is.

Until concrete proof is presented of Trump being as bad as he is made out to be, that won't change.

 

You are full of poop, Bob.

You set an impossible high standard for non-Democrats, while baseless allegations against Democrats are true on face value (naturally the deep Obama state is flooding the MSM with lies about Trump).

 

What you are saying is actually a baseless allegation that isn't supported by the facts. The standard is the same for Republicans as it is for Democrats given that I'm not a member of either party. Perhaps it seems that way to you as a Democrat, but I'd argue that you think that due to your bias.

 

Unfortunately, a large percentage of the population have conflated their identities with their particular partisan team. An attack on the team is like an attack on them personally. Add to that that this outlook is fostered by Rupert Murdoch's media empire, FoxNews, and various conservative media and one can reasonably conclude there is no end in sight for this.

The MSM plays false equivalence with every topic in trying to appear as a moderate voice. And actual moderates seem to take that as a queue to how to be moderates by trying to be in a non-partisan space. There is no moderate central political place exactly half-way between two parties when one party has gone to such amazing extremes. Moderation now looks leftist, in comparison. And we are left with reporting of party vs. party just for the sake of presenting "both sides". Horse race reporting. Team politics. Not much different than Rockets vs. Spurs.

We desperately need a center right party. But we haven't had one for a long time. What we do have is a right-wing party that is consolidating its power and slowly locking in its electoral gains by subverting our electoral institutions. And Trump... the strong-man wanna be may take the regime to a very dangerous place, and his team doesn't want to buck him so their squad doesn't look bad.

We need only compare the current GOP and DNC agendas to the past platforms over the last 40 years to appreciate how far to the right both the GOP and media coverage has shifted. It is alarming to me, not because it is a thing, but because it is exactly that thing people like Roger Norquist, Rupert Murdoch, and Roger Ailes worked to create. No more is this a battle of ideas as much as it is a battle between two parties for power.

 

Over the last 40 years, how well would a candidate that is a self described Socialist have done in the Democratic party primary? Perhaps while "appreciating" the right moving right, you could enjoy taking a look at how the left has moved left.

Over the last decade the country has gotten increasingly polarized, when that happens, just about everyone is pushed away from the middle. Recognizing that one side has moved without recognizing that the other has moved as well is part of the problem.

 

Basically what you are saying is Trump supporters are doubling down because they're afraid of becoming marginalized.

They're afraid of change.
Changing job market due to automation and globalization, and increasingly accelerating obsolescence of their skillsets. They're afraid of the change in culture and the social fabric/demographics of the United States; due to immigrants, LGBT marriages, and everything that contributes to the "changing social norm".

And they don't want to adapt to change. They want to keep things the way they used to be. In the good old days. When working at a factory with limited skill set was able to provide for a family of four. They don't want to learn new skills. They don't want to move their families to where new industries are developing are opportunities are. They don't want to learn to live and co-exist with people of different religions, sexual orientation, or heritages. They don't want to make any hard choices.

That's why they voted for the orange man with a silver tongue who made them (empty)promises of keeping things the way they used to be... It's too bad because the world is always changing and there's nothing a government or its policies can do except to delay the inevitable (prolong it just enough until the next election cycle).

 

That's probably true. Doesn't mean I can lay off though.

 

Thank you for the well-put post. I certainly can see where you are coming from. I am not a coal miner, so it will be very difficult for me to fully understand their frustrations. Is that the main jist (sp?) of your point? Basically, a lot of the middle class/rural country feel like they don't have a point. And if that is it, I wouldn't necessarily argue that, as I tend to agree.

But what exactly has the Republican party done, more specifically, Donald Trump done, to actually help the poor, or even the middle class? I get that we are early on in his presidency, so it wouldn't be fair to him to judge him completely on his policies yet. But what did he promise on his campaign, and what has he done? Or what will he do? Will he continue to help the rich, while turning his back on the people that voted for him? If so, isn't using or manipulating the poor/rural class simply for votes, only to turn around and ignore them the ultimate disrespect? If I was in their shoes, and I voted for him hoping to see a tangible improvement in my neighborhood/job outlook/salary, I would be even more disappointed and heart-broken than I am now.

 

And what facts do you have to prove that what 45 and friends have said is true there pattern and the way there crawfishing seems to be a sign that something was said.

 

I think the main concern here is that the Trump administration is WAY too leaky and that's absolutely a massive threat to national security. They need to find a way to figure out who is leaking information and put them behind bars. Until that happens, you have a staff full of people you simply can't trust with anything. Honestly if they can't figure out who keeps breaking the law, they might need to just fire everyone and completely start over with newly vetted white house staff.

 

I'm just stating what the facts are as we know them, you are the one holding out hope that something else is true. What we know is that Trump talked to the Russians about airline flight safety and some of that information came from the Israelis and was regarding ISIS plots to use laptop bombs to take down commercial airlines. From what we know, none of that was inappropriate given that we don't want Russian commercial passenger airplanes blown up by ISIS any more than we want American passenger airplanes or British passenger airplanes blown up by ISIS.

Again, there's no evidence of any wrongdoing except for by the leakers who tried to score political points with this story.

 

McMaster and Tillerson look like a couple of f'n idiots right about now.