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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Will, May 14, 2017.

  1. ricardo1979

    ricardo1979 Member

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    Go away you Yaol-lin only fan. You have all these pent up frustration over harden so go somewhere else and release it. Stop trolling here
     
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  2. ricardo1979

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    Oh pls, no one saw you post here at all throughout the season. You left when yao left and cameback for lin and then you left again. now you feel it's time to troll.
     
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  3. riko

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    This season we showed improvement and with a addition of a big man and a legit SF who can score we will be better
     
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    I'm not a Lin fan. Look how many posts I have. Do I flood the the forum with bull-**** Lin post??? Do I?
    I was a Harden fan, that's why I am devestated by his actions in games 6, or lack of action s rather.
    Don't falsely accuse me without the facts Sir....
     
  5. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    you aren't a Lin fan cause of the disgust you reacted by being falsely accused of being one.
    It's like you walked in the room and someone falsely says you have Ebola.
     
  6. sushimaster

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    Yeah I really don't post much around here, but when your best player on your team lays a goose egg the way Harden does, you bet your azz I am going to speak up. James Harden was the savior I thought was going to bring us championships again. It's not that he can't be the best players in the league, but the guy quit on the most important game. Unless he atones himself, I'm not going to let this go.

    He can start atonement by refunding all the people who attended Games 6 their money.
     
  7. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Confirmed, you put the azz in jazz. He's a Utah fan. You almost got away with it too. Take him away tinman.
     
  8. JayZ750

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    Not factual. I mean there really is no factual answer to this comment, since everything else is hypothetical.

    But it strikes me as VERY VERY weird that a hire that was universally questioned, enormously so, has no become the "obvious" hire.

    Because the Rockets had a 6-5 record losing in the second round?

    The Rockets needed defense. Not at the expense of offense, mind you, and the idea to get better at your strength isn't crazy... but the Rockets needed defense.

    Would Stephen Silas have been a better choice?? Who knows, but I don't think it's quite right to call MDA as this obvious hire at this point.

    This stems from #1 above. He got the best played he could get, given the coach hired and path chosen. But let's not give DM a pass. He wanted Horford and Bazemore. He didn't get the guys even he wanted first. He settled on Anderson and Gordon... even if those signings "worked out"

    Yes.

    Absolutely

    No. The Rockets lost by 39 to a team without its "Harden", without its starting PG. No.

    I think more accurately, the final 5 quarters, and when especially added to the last 5 playoff seasons, hammers home some fundamental truths.

    Again, no. I'm not a mathematician, but I suspect the Rockets are more likely to win their next championship without Harden on the roster than with. Though that would be just statistics.

    Math aside, yes a Harden trade on paper gets you less in return. But, depending on your view of Harden's universal truths, of the GSW dynasty, of the Cavs/Lebron dynasty, of the Spurs dynasty, etc... a Harden trade might be the only logical conclusion.

    I don't just think Harden needs to change, a lot, to lead this Rockets team to a championship. He does. Because no matter how hard he works, how well he sees the floor and manages the symphony in front of him, there are three universal truths about him that have to change in order for him to LEAD a squad to a championship:

    (1) Fewer turnovers. His TO #s are masked a bit in the regular season. In the payoffs, they destroy the team.
    (2) True commitment to defense. He's the leader. He has to commit to defense
    (3) Less dependency on FTs. Not that its bad to score more free, high % points. Just that sooner or later in the playoffs, you just don't get those calls.

    There's little things you'd like. Less iso. Less dribble dribble step back. A better, more consistent shot. But everyone has flaws. These are little things that will be better or worse depending on the year. The above 3 are major things that really hold the team back.

    So yes, I do believe he needs to fix those flaws. But even beyond that, it's not Harden bashing to recognize he's just not as talented, physically, as his MVP contemporaries. He doesn't have KDs size, shot and defense, though he might be a slightly better ballhandler. He doesn't have Lebron's size, defense, amazingness. He doesn't have Steph's shot or handles. He doesn't have Kawhi's defense or offensive efficiency outside of FTs. He doesn't have Russ' athleticism. This isn't to be negative. Harden has a lot of stuff and maximizes what he has, but as I noted, the league has super teams and super dynasties, and all of those teams have players who have an all around game or offensive efficiency - EXCLUDING FTs - that surpass Harden.

    So it comes down to "clutchness" - a vague, undefinable trait that might mean nothing except Harden needs better teammates, but more likely refers to the fact that guy has over and over again had some just un-explainable performances and always under-performs in the playoffs on the whole.

    When I line all those things up, I say, get maximum value for Harden while you can. Maximum value for Harden is moving him sooner rather than later. The longer you wait, the longer it becomes a marriage that won't work for either party, and the more likely it is you get shafted when you move him, or lose him for nothing. This basically happens EVERY TIME with these types of players. Melo, Williams, Dwight, KG, Clyde to Houston, Shaq - sometimes it works out really well for the acquiring team, sometimes not. Lebron (twice), Dwight, KD, Horford - sometimes you lose them for nothing.

    More, or as importantly, the team has no assets. They don't have cap space - they can make some by moving Ryan for $0 in return - but then it's a question of how important Ryan is. Is he the required PF spacer needed to make the offense work, or the guy who really can't do that push come to shove, and can't rebound or defend. Alternatively they could move 2 of Ariza, Gordon, Williams and create space, and there goes some decent depth. They don't have trade assets that would entice a team to trade a legit star asset like Boston has, even without that star player basically saying that's where you have to trade me. They're basically at a point where they can add another Eric Gordon, or add another Eric Gordon and move a player like Eric Gordon to fill another hole. Which would help, but doesn't exactly move the needle.

    Consider if you're a free agent, like say Kyle Lowry, and you are looking to leave the Raptors, still get paid, and want to win. Why would you choose Houston over, say... the SPURS! Who have to be creative like to Rockets to make space but potentially could. [not that I think Lowry makes sense for the Rockets, but using him as an example]

    I do like the "BE GRATEFUL" tag though. I am grateful... this team might have beaten a rundown, injured Spurs team in 7, got smoked by the Warriors, and once again thought they were something, thought they were close. They are not close. Not remotely close. And don't definitely have the one star player to get them close.
     
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    Sit down. Biyombo.
     
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    Never seen someone so happy to miss the bus.
     
  11. Mr. Dominant

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    Can we hurry up and sign Jimmy Butler?
     
  12. xiki

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    That was my wish one year ago; trade Harden for 2-3 of the young Lakes (Russell/Ingram/Clarkson for cap balance?), hire Silas, (over)pay a couple of young guys (others tried, all were matched IIRC). But all that? That ship has passed.

    Now DM the GM needs to get within a puncher's chance at a Parade in '18.
     
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    You mean, trade for JB. Gonna trump the C's package? Hmm, how?
     
  14. Easy

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    Be grateful that now you can ride the bike to school instead of get stuck with that bully sitting in the next row in the bus behind you.
     
  15. sushimaster

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    So you got nothing on me so you decide you gonna start making stuff up about me? I am not a Jazz fan anymore than I am a Mavericks fan. I would rather cut my own stomach open and eat my own guts than to cheer them on.
     
  16. sushimaster

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    ricardo1979, you're an imbecile and a bigot. why just because my name says sushimaster and I like Japanese sushi, therefore I automatically support a Chinese/Taiwanese basketball player????
     
  17. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    You spelled ass with two zz's. Only two types of people do that: middle schoolers and jazz fans. Case closed.
     
  18. CapelaOnlyFan

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    Thank you
     
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    It's proven. Harden only gets better every season. His willingness to improved his game is freakin unparalleled. His court awareness this season ihas been sick. You have to give it to Pops. He had Houston bamboozled (on top of a depleted Harden).
     
  20. daywalker02

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    His nutz shrank so there is nothing to hold onto for them.
     

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