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Has the Republican party jumped the shark?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Gutter Snipe, May 1, 2017.

  1. Gutter Snipe

    Gutter Snipe Member

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    They have control of everything except the judiciary, and they turn in a brown floater of an omnibus bill? Maybe I haven't done enough research, but from what I'm hearing they:

    - funded Planned Parenthood
    - didn't fund the wall
    - increased funding to the military (ok, that's not surprising)
    - are on pace to spend 4.15 trillion after the Obama administration spent around 3.6 trillion and 3.85 trillion previous years.
    - continue to fund Obamacare

    I for one am fed up with the RINOs, they are multiplying and appear to be in total control of the government. The only difference I see between D and R at this point is the political flavor of the pet projects that get added to the total as we continue to run up the tab.

    Can anybody give me reason to hope? Is fiscal responsibility a pipe dream until we are completely in a debt spiral?
     
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  2. cml750

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    Unfortunately the only time RINO's care about fiscal responsibility is when they are out of power and the Republican party is full of RINO's who are only conservative during election campaigns. They do sometimes provide a little lip service about fiscal responsibilities but there actions speak volumes.
     
  3. A_3PO

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    Tax and spend vs. borrow and spend.

    Pick your poison and drink it slowly.
     
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  4. No Worries

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    Corporate GOP platform is alive and well. This is all a setup for a great-big-o tax cut for the rich.

    Embrace the 1% who are running this country.
     
  5. Jugdish

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    Yeah, about 37 years ago.
     
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  6. geeimsobored

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    My favorite part of the bill is that the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for Humanities each got funding increases.

    But on a serious note, until Republicans can vote as a bloc and agree on things, you're going to have to rely on Democrats for must pass legislation. Also, I realize you want to call them RINOs but the Republican Party has historically been a diverse group of legislators with varying political beliefs. If you stick to the whole purity test logic, you simply will never pass legislation. The Republicans are somehow managing to act like the opposition party when they're in the majority.
     
  7. Amiga

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    No.

    You have to cut Military and deal with entitlement, in a smart way. Obama tried with the grand bargain, but the GOP congress wouldn't agree over silliness of a strict ideological stand against any tax increases. They played political. Now that the GOP is in power, they are back to their old irresponsible government self. Trump is trying to do a repeat of Bush Jr but on a larger scale.

    Your best bet of fiscal responsibility is to get someone in that is willing to try the grand bargain again.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    The Republicans have been on a huge election winning streak, with the Dems losing everything, yet we get this thread title.

    Delusional liberals at their finest.
     
  9. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    I am pretty sure the OP is a republican.
     
  10. pirc1

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    It is much harder to actually gov
    Or at least a self proclaimed conservative.
     
  11. Nook

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    The Republicans haven't been about fiscal responsibility for nearly 40 years.
     
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    Oh yes they have, when they are not in power, every time.
     
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  13. No Worries

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    How's that first 100 days treating ya?
     
  14. dobro1229

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    It sure reads that way, and shows how delusional Texx is here to not grasp reality that smart GOP'ers would recognize.

    I think there are several issues most of them should realize if they don't already-

    A. The scientific polling data shows that when it comes to social issues, the majority of Americans are not on board with the GOP agenda.
    B. The economics are NO LONGER conservative in a lot of ways. Blowing up the deficit further, Lack of competition in many industries that GOP is backed by.
    C. They have an incredibly fractured party with many different ideologies. Libertarians, Moderates, War Hawk conservatives, Populists, etc. This makes it hard to get something like Health care done.
    D. They have buffoonery & incompetence in the White House right now. The President steps on his message and makes it hard for the GOP to govern.

    ........

    I actually think the GOP has squandered a huge opportunity with the Post Obama years to really tackle the issue that I think would appeal to Americans which would be to focus the message on economic conservative principles, and have a moderate social conservative. I thought they were bound to win regardless with America really sick and tired of seeing the same ole same ole in the White House so they really could have had a pretty successful presidency this cycle but instead Trump won, the party is fractured, and they have moved further to the Right alienating the majority of Americans who will jump at the opportunity in 2018 and 2020 to get Trump marginalized and out of office.

    I don't want to say my Right Wing friends are dumb, but they really got taken this past year when they were lapping up Trumps nonsense & drinking the Kool Aid when they had several quality directions they could have taken that would have been better for the country and better for their party moving forward.

    So where does the GOP need to go after Trump.. well not Pence. Certainly not Paul Ryan. You need a moderate with fiscally conservative principles. But you wont take my advice because the Trump Kool Aid has infiltrated the brain. Just keep going further right... That will REALLY work out for you.
     
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  15. Invisible Fan

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    I thought Kasich embodied independent thinking conservative values. Didn't agree with him on some things but it seemed like he believed in those ideas for country over party rather than using it as a checklist.

    He didn't do that well against Trump or Cruz
     
  16. dachuda86

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    Dems and Repubs both jumped the shark.
     
  17. Air Langhi

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    What does country over party even mean? There is no one set of laws that will benefit everyone in this country. Some laws will favor some people and not others.
     
  18. TheRealist137

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    Someone didn't read the content of the post. You have a long ways to go before you can regain any sort of credibility on here.
     
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  19. Roc Paint

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    The Republican Party is still shark hunting as the Democrats lay in the tank
     
  20. dobro1229

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    You want an example of "Country over Party" or lack thereof-


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    This is just one example of Republicans flip flopping on major issues (like the most hostile dictator attacking our Democracy) to swing which every way will benefit their party winning an election.

    As for your point about views that benefit everyone: Nobody Benefits from Vladamir Putin or any other hostile dictator/Authoritarian having influence on our country, and one or more of our major parties.

    .............

    I see your point about policy issues though, but I'd respectfully disagree, and say that things like economic issues can have some "party over country" vantage points where we should be able to put country above party or ideology-

    I believe that with Climate Change and renewable energy SHOULD BE one of these issues where even Republicans should be able to say that "Even though I don't agree with Climate Change, investing in being a leader in solar, nuclear, wind, etc. is important enough to our countries Economy in competing on a global stage for me to support those investments"..... but for some reason the ideology here also has an influence on avoiding a common good Country/Economy over Party/Ideology tactic politically.
     
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