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French Election: Where's Your Money?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Mar 26, 2017.

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Who do you think will win the French election?

Poll closed Apr 23, 2017.
  1. Macron

    5 vote(s)
    35.7%
  2. Le Pen

    9 vote(s)
    64.3%
  3. Fillon

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Someone else

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. dachuda86

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    Side note, I recommend some of you go watch Persepolis... it's a great French movie (English subtitles available as well) about Iran and it addresses what its like to go from a free society to a culture that force women to cover themselves. The original version is in French and there are subtitled versions available as well. Buy it or even watch it in full on youtube. It's entertaining and I linked to one of the funnier scenes, but its actually very accurate and based on a woman's life in Iran when they forced the women to cover themselves. Basically those policies many of you are uncomfortable are aimed at cutting this sort of crap off at the knees which does happen in western societies, but instead of the government forcing you to wear a covering, it's your family, "friends," and entire support network. This is not some fictitious problem. I really don't think I'll make headway with you, but maybe consider that this sort of thing is criminal and it's going on. I even know people in the US who cover their head, and it's a real fear they have of being disowned by their family. So maybe you can see why banning head coverings is on the table at this point. I think it's inhumane to not to draw a line somewhere and I would classify burka and even hijab as a type of physical torture, and in many cases a sign that a person is in a sick modern bondage that is going largely unrecognized by many in the west. I mentioned this before, but I live in the middle east. They have hijab optional at this point where I'm at, but from what I can tell you, there are plenty of Muslims who see it as wrong to force it on someone. Ask yourself why that is?

     
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  2. dachuda86

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    What does one expect to get out of developing nations? No, seriously.... you've talked about reciprocity.... what is it that you want?
     
  4. Cohete Rojo

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    That's not what I talked about. There simply isn't any near equal, equal, or greater than equal opportunity for Americans, with regards to these countries. Therefore, the ability to reciprocate (for Americans to immigrate these countries) just isn't there.

    These same goes for France.
     
  5. dmoneybangbang

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    Well they are developing countries.... do you think something all of a sudden has changed in regards to "what countries can offer Americans"?

    Should we only being able to immigrate and emigrate to countries that share near the same amount of wealth?
     
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  7. dachuda86

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    Yeah let me weigh in on this. Largely it's a product of basic economics. When you have a larger pool of workers, this actually ends up concentrating the wealth in fewer hands and it largely hurts the wages of the lower, and eventually middle, classes. It's a simple product of supply and demand in part, where a large supply of labor lowers demand, thus lowering the price of said labor. Take out sourcing for example, where this makes it harder for people to make ends meet when their job has been outsourced to Steve in India or where ever else it goes. This is just one example of course. But the economic principle can be applied rather easily and explains why globalism is great for developing countries with cheap labor who could use an extra factory, while places like Ohio are now full of vacant rusting factory buildings.

    There are more complicated economic theories that show that out of all of your labor, the square root of it will create roughly half of the output. The larger the labor pool, the smaller number of people who will be producing in it, and making money and having value to the economy. This is why an all out sprint for globalist agenda, helps primarily the business elites... the owners/shareholders... not the middle or lower classes... IE most of us. This is why I say nationalism is a good thing. Put the interests of the country first, and mitigate how you interact with the world. Unfortunately the people paying the political elite are the said corporate elite, who love globalism because of the cheap labor it provides. Nationalism v globalism is the current political battle unfolding, and it is for economic reasons that most people are seeing unmitigated globalism as a threat to their country.
     
  9. dachuda86

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    Marcon's campagin is off to a roaring start... roaring flames that is. Upstaged on his home turf lol

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ron-poll-Jean-Marie-Le-Pen-Jean-Luc-M-lenchon

    Marine Le Pen SURGES in latest poll as Macron is blasted for first round celebrations
    THE French electorate are abandoning Emmanuel Macron after a series of gaffes have helped Marine Le Pen back in contention ahead of the presidency campaign, latest polls show.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stages-French-rival-Macron-factory-visit.html

    Macron walks into Le Pen's ambush: France's pro-EU presidential hopeful admits 'I can't save your jobs' when workers ask what he'll do about cheap Polish labour after his rival hijacks factory visit
    • Marine Le Pen paid a surprise visit to striking workers in Amiens on Wednesday while Emmanuel Macron visited union bosses several miles away
    • Whirlpool staff have been protesting over their jobs being relocated to Poland
    • Le Pen pledged to fight for French workers and said Macron supports 'oligarchs'
    • Macron did grace workers with an unscheduled visit later in the day, but was forced to admit he can do nothing to save their jobs

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rival-Macron-factory-visit.html#ixzz4fTPyrLVW
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  10. dachuda86

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    LOL... big mistep. Marcon goes to a factory and told workers Le Pen can't save their jobs, and that because of globalism they can retrain them after they lose their jobs. Basically goes to a factory in his hometown and says, "well, sorry mates, you're SOL."

    Le Pen tells them she's going to save their jobs.

    Regardless of how true either statement is... and regardless of who said it... which message is the working class more likely to be more attracted to. "I'll save your jobs." or "You will lose your jobs but we'll retrain you."



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  11. Rashmon

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    But don't think that dachuda's choice of avatar or espoused political beliefs has any connection to alt-right philosophy. He will tell you otherwise...

    Time for ignore.
     
  12. dachuda86

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    I'm still not alt right. I'm liberal but today's progressive liberal and Leolib movements are out of touch. I am educated enough to not box my choices into one side. Today's liberals mostly are beyond loyal. What they display is just plain fanaticism. Sometimes you need to vote right and sometimes left. At the moment I don't see a lot of people on the left proposing to do anything. I don't see proper arguments. I'm sure that will change but new leadership must first replace the old in a lot of these movements. Leadership with actual ideas, not a pretty face and points for not being the other person. If Macron types are the future of the Democrats then they're screwed.

    And please ignore me all you want. The sign of someone who believes ideologies is when someone can't form a proper argument. Looks like I offended your ideology and you can't properly form a rational argument. Good day to you sir.
     
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    "I will not be against Berlin. I am with Berlin. We have differences. We have disagreements, but I will not tell the French today that I am going to defend their interests against Berlin," he said. "Europe is a construction. Ours. We sovereignly decided to create Europe. We did it for our peace, for our prosperity, for our liberty."

    -Macron

    We wouldn't want to upset Frau Merkel, aka the führer. What the hell kind of leader bows before Berlin in their own election? Honestly I was less sure of Le Pen winning last week but if he keeps opening his mouth, he will botch his campaign. Le Pen is far better at campaigning and this may cost Macron. Regardless of who I think would be better, I still predict Le Pen to win. Add Macron's weak campaign skills to the list of reasons why. Two blunders right out of the gate.
     
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    Congrats on just finishing a gen ed macroeconmics class but everyone with common sense already knew everything you just posted here.

    I'm no economist, but the nature of fabrication of technological components makes globilzation a necessary entity that is quite inevitable and a propaganda artist like Le Pen will pander to low skilled laborers acting as if their low skill labor will sustain them and their children for the rest of time when it's quite obvious that their low skilled labor is becoming more and more inefficient relative to other methods as time moves forward.

    You can tell which side actually cares about them by speaking harsh truths rather than pandering rainbows with lots of gold.
     
  15. dachuda86

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    I didn't want to go there, but since the "you're a nazi" genie is out of the bottle...
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    In case you're curious about where this EU thing is heading:

    http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/258994,New-EU-superstate-plan’-by-France-Germany-report
     
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    You seem to love pushing platitudes about globilzation but how much knowledge and nuance do you have regarding industries such as semiconductor fabrication and how dispersed across international borders each material that is put into the fabrication proccess is?

    Taking a gen ed macroeconomics course doesn't make you an educated expert especially when you seem to be tackling this issue with purley classical economic theories without any knowledge or nuance in how the modern technology industry throws a giant wrench into many classical enonomic theories.
     
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    Did you really just post a hitler meme. Then refer to Germany's president as hitler several posts later. yah ok

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
     
  18. dachuda86

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    I did post it and acknowledged that it's because the genie was let out of the bottle in this discussion, you dullard. Loosen up and have some fun. Besides, the EU is the best comparison to Nazi Germany since Nazi Germany for obvious reasons.
     
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    So this thread has essentially turned into a one-man propaganda channel. Cool. At least I can stop checking in on it knowing its not a place for serious discussion about global politics.

    Also - If you love Dach's YouTube video he shared, go take a look at the authors other videos he's done like the one about "The Truth Behind Slavery" which essentially is a downplay on the African American Slave Experience in the United States. I saw that Youtube guy's videos posted before, and the backlash on Facebook some time ago. It wasn't pretty.

    Dach - I don't know if you live in America, and especially a diverse city like Houston, but if you do, my advice would be to keep this racist propaganda to yourself or else you might get a a#$ whipping.
     
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