What has been your most nightmarish experience w an Airline ?

I was just answering a question about my worst experience.

 

I'm perfectly fine with you thinking that. That said, it's pretty clear from the contract of carriage that passengers are obligated to obey the instructions of flight staff at all times. That would include instructions to exit the plane....so yeah.

If he had done the right thing from the start, he'd have never had anyone lay a finger on him....also, I was talking about WHY he didn't just do the right thing from the start. It's indicative of the same interpersonal problems that doctors mentioned when they've evaluated him in the past. Anyway, I get it, you identify with the perv felon with mental problems. That's fine.

 

Sorry, but it doesn't say that. There have been plenty of lawyers who have analyzed the language of the contract since the incident so it'd be very easy for you to find out the truth, but I suspect you'd rather live in ignorance.

He did do the right thing from the start. He exercised his contractual rights.

It really is sad that you keep bringing up his history. It has absolutely nothing to do with what happened on the flight. You're just looking for a convenient distraction from the issue at hand. Sure, he's can be a perv, felon, nut job.....whatever you want him to be. That still wouldn't have given United Airlines the right to remove him from the plane.

 

It does, read it, don't just parrot BS you heard a talking head tell you. Read it for yourself as I did.....or continue in ignorance, NBD.

By violating the contract of carriage he "exercised his contractual rights"....okay kiddo.

His history is relevant in that he's got a history of mental instability which explains why of the tens of thousands of people that get bumped off flights every year, he's the guy that acted like an ass and had to be dragged off. No one else, just him.

Then again, like I said, I understand that you identify with this guy, so I don't expect a rational take from you on the issue. You think him being a douchebag and refusing to exit the plane when he was instructed to do so was "doing the right thing". Kinda says all I need to know about you when it comes to this conversation and other similar conversations.

 

The relevant parts of the contract of carriage? I have read it. That's how I know you're wrong. In fact, we briefly argued about it in the other thread. You misapplied a clause in the subsection about safety and erroneously tried to apply it to the entire contract.

He didn't violate anything.

That doesn't change the fact that he was acting within his rights.

 

Or.....you don't know what you are talking about. It's okay man, I really don't care. At this point the story is over, the douchebag got what he deserved and he's soon to be financially rewarded for his embarrassing actions. Due to your world perspective, you think his embarrassing actions were praiseworthy and that's fine too. There's countless ridiculous people out there who admire people like the "cash me ousside" girl, the Kardashians, the Jersey Shore people, and this guy. You just happen to be one of them. As such, you are going to just have to accept that we'll never see eye to eye on this one.

 

Fair point. Here's the contract of carriage's applicable section "Refusal of Transport":

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21

Can you point out where it says that passengers are obligated to obey the instructions of flight staff at all times?

 

What about the part where one should comply with law enforcement officers.

 

In which rule/section in the contract of carriage can that be found?

 

you have never heard of the COC until this event. Quit pretending you are an authoritarian on the subject.

And are you really suggesting that if an agreement does not explicitly state you must obey law enforcement, one is allowed to ignore and disregard a law enforcement officer? You really are special.

 

How am I pretending I'm an authoritarian? By giving you the text and asking you to prove that it says what you think it says?

I'm suggesting that you don't have to obey an unlawful order from a law enforcement officer.

 

He really does seem like the type of person to get kicked out and banned from a McDonald's for throwing a temper tantrum over the portion of fries they gave him. The cops show up in time to hear him whining about his "contractual rights" and how them telling him to leave is an "unlawful order".....

We all know people like that so it is what it is. I'm at the point where there's no reason to keep trying to discuss this or any similar issue with him because there's just no way it'll end up productive.

 

Also, and more importantly, because you know you're wrong.

 

Just remember, when the cops give you the criminal trespass warning, you can't go back or you'll get arrested.....even if you just want to buy fries.

 

Again. Here's the contract of carriage and the "Refusal of Transport" section:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx#sec21

Can you point out where it says that passengers are obligated to obey the instructions of flight staff at all times?

 

Do you side with officers who intimidate citizens filming the officers, even if the citizen is a safe distance away and not interfering with the officers? And if the officers tell the citizen to stop filming them or they will arrest him/her, do you think the citizen should have followed those orders even though it's an unlawful order?

 

Whoops!

 

It hasn't.

 

Argh. You're right, of course. I think I need to go to sleep.

 

Hey look everyone, douche-tool Bobbythegreat is here to ruin a readable thread again.