What has been your most nightmarish experience w an Airline ?

Pre-boarding United by the great masters

 

I'm sorry. All I got from her was a first class seat.

I have plenty of stories I could tell about that particular trip involving the opposite sex (like the Norwegian blondes that were identical twins - they picked me up while I was hitchhiking from Copenhagen to Amsterdam. we had a memorable evening. and there was the beautiful 19 year old Dutch chick, another blonde, that I met in A'dam after I got there. She boarded the tram I was riding while coming back from a rained out free concert at Amsterdamse Bos. America opened and lasted about half an hour before the skies opened and they had to take cover. The headliner? Pink Floyd! My disappointment didn't last long, not after I met her. Again, my apologies, Sam. I'll try to do better next time. Can't improve on her, though. She was the finest girl I met during the entire 6 months, and we saw each other until I flew home on that flight. She lived in Harleem).

ATW's post was hilarious, although I'm not sure he had graced our planet with his presence in 1971. I laughed, but my complaint is his accusation that I was "smelly!" I took a shower every day and used a fine American deodorant, not that weak European stuff.

 

When you are proven to be wrong, it is perfectly OK to admit it. I have done it several times and still live to tell about it.

 

What are you talking about? Nothing I said above is wrong. Did you fall for fake news like a few others did today?

 

New videos and witness testimony contradict story that passenger was belligerent...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/12/travel/united-passenger-pulled-off-flight/

 

"Lawyer here. This myth that passengers don't have rights needs to go away, ASAP. You are dead wrong when saying that United legally kicked him off the plane.

First of all, it's airline spin to call this an overbooking. The statutory provision granting them the ability to deny boarding is about "OVERSALES", specifically defines as booking more reserved confirmed seats than there are available. This is not what happened. They did not overbook the flight; they had a fully booked flight, and not only did everyone already have a reserved confirmed seat, they were all sitting in them. The law allowing them to denying boarding in the event of an oversale does not apply.

Even if it did apply, the law is unambiguously clear that airlines have to give preference to everyone with reserved confirmed seats when choosing to involuntarily deny boarding. They have to always choose the solution that will affect the least amount of reserved confirmed seats. This rule is straightforward, and United makes very clear in their own contract of carriage that employees of their own or of other carriers may be denied boarding without compensation because they do not have reserved confirmed seats. On its face, it's clear that what they did was illegal-- they gave preference to their employees over people who had reserved confirmed seats, in violation of 14 CFR 250.2a.

Furthermore, even if you try and twist this into a legal application of 250.2a and say that United had the right to deny him boarding in the event of an overbooking; they did NOT have the right to kick him off the plane. Their contract of carriage highlights there is a complete difference in rights after you've boarded and sat on the plane, and Rule 21 goes over the specific scenarios where you could get kicked off. NONE of them apply here. He did absolutely nothing wrong and shouldn't have been targeted. He's going to leave with a hefty settlement after this fiasco."

 

None of that applies to anything you were responding to.

 

The TV headlines tell me that his daughter was "shocked and horrified" and that the doctor says it was "worse than fleeing Vietnam." I think he's better off saying nothing.

 

I think it stirs up some visceral nationalist feelings when you put that in the papers that you don't need to go to when you already have the majority on your side. People will feel like (if they don't think it explicitly), "I know it was rough treatment, but are you saying we Americans are worse than the communists?" "Do you really think we are so lawless here that airport security could kill you or imprison and torture you -- like the Vietnamese communists might have done had they caught you -- with total impunity?" Probably he meant it as a bit of hyperbole that may have been totally true if he was unmolested in his departure from Saigon, but I don't think he should have gone there.

 

That was his feeling from his personal experiences.

"Just kill me" was his words at the moment when his mouth was full of blood because two teeth were knocked out.

In 1975, he fought for his life and had a chance to flee.
In 2017, he was ready for his life to be 're-accommodated'. Had he was still as resistive as in 1975, he might get shot dead.

But don't worry, between 1975 and 2017, Americans are better than the communists, for him.

I believe the narrative of his feeling at the moment was genuine, and we should respect that.

 

He had two teeth knocked out? I hadn't heard that. Incredible. United's legal people are probably very busy now attempting to figure out how much they will have to pay this poor man. I hope it's a lot.

 

Good.

 

Being in a big dragon stomach with all these people i don't know six miles up in the air?

 

He suffered a concussion, a broken nose and missing teeth...damn the Goonsquad was brutal.

 

Is there something about this guy that you don't like Bobby? Perhaps his race, his accent, his mannerism, his sordid past, the way he bled, the color of his blood? Shed some light on me bro...not sure why the hostility towards this little old Vietnamese American man.

 

His sordid past and the way he handled himself in this situation are the reasons why I don't dislike the fact that he got a little banged up in this instance.

I'm sure people like you focus on race or nationality, but those things are irrelevant to me. If they matter to you.....well you might need to re-think your life.

 

I don't focus on race, nationality, his past, etc. in this case. I focused on the fact that he paid for a ticket, didn't want to leave because he was focused on his patients, and the fact that unnecessary violence was used up on him. None of the other crap matters.